FYI: The time line and heat sheets are available! :bliss:
Just wondering, though... Can anybody out there explain how I (Elaine Krugman) got placed in Heat 3 of the 100 Yd Breaststroke (Lane 8). Based on my seed time and age, shouldn't I have been placed in Heat 7? If anybody out there has a clue, will you please explain it to me? Check out the seed times and ages in Heat 7 and see if I'm on the right track with my thinking...
Hey, Anna Lea, it looks like we'll be next to each other in the 100 and have one between us in the 50 Yd Breaststroke. :D You should have joined me in the 200 Yd Breaststroke! :agree:
Prelims and finals for masters?! No thanks. Ugh. That must have been thought up by a distance swimmer.
Not this one! I couldn't imagine doing the 1000 twice!
In the 50F, I am lucky enough to have the person in my lane before me seeded 5.49 seconds faster! :bow:
Should I ask him for any extra speed he doesn't need?
I am 6 years younger than him too.
Both sound awful!
Prelims and finals for masters?! No thanks. Ugh. QUOTE]
No one said that because you're invited, you have to attend :D
I only suggested 20 (an arbitrary number to be sure) because you'd want to keep the numbers down if you were going to have finals also.
:agree:
Or make an international T/F meet. Invite the top 50 in the world!
Heh heh.
(stirring, stirring, stirring- where is that stirring the pot smiley anyway?)
Not this one! I couldn't imagine doing the 1000 twice!
That event would be a timed final. I would love a prelims/finals masters meet. I think it would be fun.
That event would be a timed final. I would love a prelims/finals masters meet. I think it would be fun.
Back in our age group days it was like that. Now I think they do swim the distance events twice for the top level meets (Nationals, Trials, Worlds, Olympics). They do prelims of it on one day and the final the next.
The biggest problem, I think, is that in a true trials/finals meet, you need to have a championship final heat for the top 1-8 (or 1-10) qualifiers. Since masters is scored by age group, you would need to have a finals for each separate age group! Otherwise, there is no real fair way to establish points.
If you do prelims/finals just by time (no age group), then consider the following scenario:
* For the example, only the top 8 return at night for finals. No consols, bonus, etc. Just top 8.
* In the 30-34 age group, there are swimmers A, B, and C.
* Event is the 50 free. In prelims, the following times are performed:
- Swimmer A: 30.00 (qualifies 7th overall)
- Swimmer B: 30.01 (qualifies 8th overall)
- Swimmer C: 30.02 (qualifies 9th overall, does not make finals)
* Then at night in finals, only Swimmer A and Swimmer B swim, since Swimmer C did not qualify. In finals, the following times are performed:
- Swimmer A: 30.50
- Swimmer B: 30.40
How do you score the event? Who won? Swimmer A had the fastest time overall, but it was from prelims. Swimmer B was faster in finals. Swimmer C was slowest in the morning, but was still faster than Swimmer A or B swam in finals.
It would also mean that you'd, practically, never get any 70+ swimmers ever qualifying for finals.
All in all, it creates a scenario where, as an expectation, there are different parameters for scoring points depending on your speed and age group. I.e., not a level playing field.
-Rick
Rick,
In a prelim/finals meet this will sometimes happens...Whoever goes the fastest in the finals is your champion...Thats how it works at every prelim final meet...You have to swim fast in the morning to give yourself a shot to win it at night. So in order to score points for your team, it would be the order of finish of the finals swimmers. Maybe you can throw in consol points for the next 8 outside the finals heat?
I def would support a prelim/final meet!
Back in our age group days it was like that. Now I think they do swim the distance events twice for the top level meets (Nationals, Trials, Worlds, Olympics). They do prelims of it on one day and the final the next.
Jeff, if it is a selection meet for the olympics, then the women's 800 and men's 1500 freestyle are done as your described.
Most meets, even at a lot of usa nationals, the distance freestyles are timed finals.
On the positive side, I won't have any trouble finding Anna Lea, one of the swimmers on my list to meet in person! :D
Anna Lea, we can console each other for being "leftovers"! :bighug:
I've been the "leftover" in my age group for 20 years now. But it doesn't matter because my hubby says that I'm the cutest one in my age group. :blush:
I've been the "leftover" in my age group for 20 years now. But it doesn't matter because my hubby says that I'm the cutest one in my age group. :blush:
Ahhhhhhhhh, NICE HUBBY! :applaud:
Assuming odd and even heats are in different pools, I would hate to be the swimmers in heat 54:
Heat 52 of 58 Timed Finals
1 Bain, Bradley Kyle 25 NCMS 21.38
2 Doak, Kevin 29 MICH 21.21
3 Buren, Paul J 29 GAJA 20.90
4 Pascale, Joesph R 26 AMS 20.30
5 Brunelli, Nicholas J 28 NCMS 19.11
6 Jones, Cullen A 26 NCMS 19.46
7 Krayer, Michael 27 NCMS 20.53
8 Holsman, Trent T 29 TOC 21.12
9 Murphy, Connor G 26 AGUA 21.23
10 Keefe, Michael R 29 SWOM 21.71
Heat 54 of 58 Timed Finals
1 Oates, Christian J 21 LOVE 24.35
2 Sinnamon, Sam 24 NMMS 24.00
3 Howard, Mark C 24 TPIT 23.70
4 Chudoba, John A 23 NCMS 23.57
5 Woollen, Chase 19 GMSC 23.50
6 Jones, Gavin L 23 WH2O 23.54
7 Pilgrim, Greg 21 NIAG 23.66
8 Oates, Dexter R 23 LOVE 23.78
9 Monroe, Derek C 23 GAJA 24.10
10 Miller, Joshua S 24 CSMT 24.46
To have to follow Cullen and Nick...first off, no one will be watching heat 54. They'll be still buzzing about heat 52. And don't forget those guys in the other pool. I remember the meet grinding to a halt in 2004 when Gary Hall Jr. and Sabir Muhammad raced the 50 free. They even stopped the heats in the opposite pool.
