Another newbie video swim

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Hello everyone I know i ask a lot, but i work so hard (preparing for my first ironman in 3 months) that i try to grab every piece of information i can get. YouTube- freestyle swimming training total immersion way As soon as i watched into myself from aside (in video) i instantly noticed many areas to improve, however i would love to hear from all you guys first... If i'm violating any of the forum rules, feel free to close / delete this thread. Again, thanks a lot.
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  • Hey, welcome. I definitely see the TI influence there with the front quadrant swimming. Any analysis here is really limited to your recovery and alignment, which both look pretty good to me. Your right arm does tend to cross over a little when extended, and I could be wrong, but it may be that you're a little late getting your face back in the water after breathing so the recovery arm entry is a little awkward. When I watch the video you start to get air when your right arm is way back and ready to recover or maybe even has already started its recovery. I think you might benefit from breathing just a tad earlier and getting your face back in the water a tad earlier. A way to think of it is have your right cheek attached to your shoulder as you catch and turn to breath. You'll have more time to breath and might find that it helps your entry. Look at this Thorpe video and notice how he's getting air while still pulling/pushing. Then compare it to yours. The difference is subtle but significant. YouTube- Ian Thorpe Breathing You also probably over rotate a tad when breathing, so both goggles come out of the water as well as your whole mouth. Your head tilts up a tad as well. Now Thorpe has a head tilt as well, but that works with his stroke and kick. In the TI stroke/kick it's probably hindering you a little. Try to lay your head a little flatter, and you'll get a better trough around your mouth to breathe. Also, by breathing earlier you won't have to rotate quite as much to get enough air. While some rotation is obviously good to limit drag, bear in mind that the further you rotate one direction, the longer it takes to rotate the other way and the less control you might have over your recovery. Look at 1:55 of your video to see a good example of what I'm talking about. I initially read TI and saw the video when I first started trying to improve a couple years ago. It really helped me with balance, etc. One disadvantage which I'm trying to shed is the constant acceleration/deceleration, which I see with your stroke a little. Think about a car if you were to constantly accelerate, glide to a slower pace, then reaccelerate versus keeping your foot on the gas pedal lightly but steadily. Which would use more energy to get to point B in the same amount of time? The front quadrant idea is legitimate, but I think you can catch a tad earlier and still have both hands in the font quadrant, without as much deceleration each stroke. While I can't see your catch underwater, from my own experience I know that catching a little earlier helps my catch (as some have pointed out to me here). Hope that helps.
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  • Hey, welcome. I definitely see the TI influence there with the front quadrant swimming. Any analysis here is really limited to your recovery and alignment, which both look pretty good to me. Your right arm does tend to cross over a little when extended, and I could be wrong, but it may be that you're a little late getting your face back in the water after breathing so the recovery arm entry is a little awkward. When I watch the video you start to get air when your right arm is way back and ready to recover or maybe even has already started its recovery. I think you might benefit from breathing just a tad earlier and getting your face back in the water a tad earlier. A way to think of it is have your right cheek attached to your shoulder as you catch and turn to breath. You'll have more time to breath and might find that it helps your entry. Look at this Thorpe video and notice how he's getting air while still pulling/pushing. Then compare it to yours. The difference is subtle but significant. YouTube- Ian Thorpe Breathing You also probably over rotate a tad when breathing, so both goggles come out of the water as well as your whole mouth. Your head tilts up a tad as well. Now Thorpe has a head tilt as well, but that works with his stroke and kick. In the TI stroke/kick it's probably hindering you a little. Try to lay your head a little flatter, and you'll get a better trough around your mouth to breathe. Also, by breathing earlier you won't have to rotate quite as much to get enough air. While some rotation is obviously good to limit drag, bear in mind that the further you rotate one direction, the longer it takes to rotate the other way and the less control you might have over your recovery. Look at 1:55 of your video to see a good example of what I'm talking about. I initially read TI and saw the video when I first started trying to improve a couple years ago. It really helped me with balance, etc. One disadvantage which I'm trying to shed is the constant acceleration/deceleration, which I see with your stroke a little. Think about a car if you were to constantly accelerate, glide to a slower pace, then reaccelerate versus keeping your foot on the gas pedal lightly but steadily. Which would use more energy to get to point B in the same amount of time? The front quadrant idea is legitimate, but I think you can catch a tad earlier and still have both hands in the font quadrant, without as much deceleration each stroke. While I can't see your catch underwater, from my own experience I know that catching a little earlier helps my catch (as some have pointed out to me here). Hope that helps.
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