More Breaststroke help: the pullout

So I am fine tuning my stroke for my first meet. I am noticing that my hands during the underwater recovery really drag, and I can't figure out a hand position that will stop it. I take a big pull (how I was taught), way deeper on my chest than my regular pull, so the hands have a long way to go along my body. Am I still supposed to do this? Any general comments regarding starts and turns welcome, too. Luckily, my meet is LCM, so I only have to worry about it on the start next week. Thanks for any help. BTW, swam a 36 (50Y) from the wall at the end of practice today, which is great for me, so thanks again to everyone who has helped me out. :chug:
  • Your pull on the pullout should be very similar to your pull in fly,except you bring your hands all the way back below your hips.Make sure you shrug your shoulders for streamlining.As soon as you begin to slow down begin to creep your hands up your abdomen and then chest with your palms facing your body and touching or nearly touching your body.Keep your elbows locked against your sides as long as possible.When your hands get up to about your face accelerate and shoot them forward as you kick.
  • As soon as you begin to slow down begin to creep your hands up your abdomen and then chest with your palms facing your body and touching or nearly touching your body. Rigid straight hands here - so they feel like they're slicing!
  • Keep your elbows locked against your sides as long as possible.When your hands get up to about your face accelerate and shoot them forward as you kick. I'm apparently doing this all wrong ... You start kicking before you've surfaced? Do you get any air that way? In my evilstroke sequence, I shoot my arms forward into a streamline position and then pull and kick.
  • Hands begin to move up the body first, then the kick begins right after and shoots the hands forward to streamline. Then start your evilstroke madness!
  • Hands begin to move up the body first, then the kick begins right after and shoots the hands forward to streamline. Then start your evilstroke madness! OK, I went through my sequence standing here and I think I am doing it right. It's one thing to visualize and another to do. Whew, close call. Still think I need to work on keeping my hands under and close to my body.
  • OK, I went through my sequence standing here and I think I am doing it right. It's one thing to visualize and another to do. Whew, close call. Still think I need to work on keeping my hands under and close to my body. I've seen your pullout and it is fundamentally right.Originally you were allowed one stroke underwater(really originally you could swim as far underwater as possible,but the rule was changed as that was too dangerous.)Now with rule changes you get 2 kicks(one dolphin,one whip) and 1 1/2 pulls.Your head must break the surface before the insweep of the second pull.You definitely want to start that pull underwater so that you accelerate into the breakout.
  • Rigid straight hands here - so they feel like they're slicing! Thanks Allen -- just what I needed -- and thanks for this point, too. My hands are kind of flopping downward, and I feel the drag on the back of my hands. :applaud:
  • breastroke pull outs after you pull down and your hands are by your hips, move your hands from your hips back to above your head, first turn your hands & forearms sideways & slice them through the water like knife blades. once your hands are near your shoulders, stab them forward like a daggers till you are in an unlocked streamline then start breastroking. glide far on your push offs & you pull outs but never stop or stall out, begin moving your hands forward while you still have some momentum.
  • what do you other breaststrokers think? fly kick right after the arms split from streamline (i.e. before the down stroke) or after the downstroke as the arms come to the side? i have always done the latter, but i see some of the fastest breaststrokers in the world do the former. which do some you guys prefer?
  • One thing I find myself doing a lot is lifting my head too early. I get close to the surface and want to lift my head instinctively, even though I know this is creating extra drag. I think some breaststrokers even choose not to breathe on the first stroke, thus keeping their momentum going from the pullout.