USMS Rules question: Initial distance

Does anyone know the rationale behind USMS rule 103.13.1(B)(1)? Specifically, this says that in order for an initial distance split to count as an "official time" (and thus, eligible for records, top-ten, etc.), the swimmer must notify the meet referee in writing before the end of the meet. Does anyone know why we insist on this level of administrivia? This means that, technically, even as a meet director... if I notice that someone's 1000 split on their 1650 would be a new record... it's not a new record unless I remind the swimmer him/herself to write down on a piece of paper "Please make my split time count", and hand it to the referee. Before they leave the pool at the end of the meet. In USA Swimming, the paperwork isn't necessary. Your 1000 split counts, without any paperwork, as long as it's valid, you finished the event, etc., etc. But you don't need silly paperwork. So why do we insist on this paperwork in USMS? This seems like something that is doing us all a massive disservice as I'm sure many many potential records and top ten performances are being missed. If you swim a 1650, and your initial 1000 was a certain time... then your initial 1000 was that time, regardless of any paperwork you submit by the end of the meet. (This is separate from setting up an expectation that these splits will be automatically submitted. That's a separate issue. My only issue is that if the swimmer does not write something down on a post-it note, that the window of opportunity closes, and there is no way to un-close the window the way the rulebook is written.) I suppose the solution is to amend the disclaimer/waiver language for our meet entries to include a sentence "I HEREBY REQUEST TO THE REFEREE THAT EVERY INITIAL DISTANCE OF EVERY EVENT THAT I SWIM BE CONSIDERED AS AN OFFICIAL TIME.", and then that part of the rule is satisfied. If the USMS Rules Committee insists, I can photocopy all of our entry forms, and hand them to the Referee before the end of the meet. -Rick
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  • I think as a meet director, you are responsible for your results for far more than 2-3 days after your meet is over. If you don't have access to Meet Manager, you should have a report electronically or in hardcopy that has all of the full split printouts from your meet. (Most of them get posted online anyways.) I'm currently investigating a final time inquiry from a meet that took place a full year ago. Swimmer says their 1650 time was really a 1700 time, and that they swam an extra 50. I'm doing through the archives to determine whatever we can determine. And again... this is separate from any other paperwork rules that may be required for records, etc. This is simply for "official time". For a time to be a record or a top-ten time, it must first be an official time, and may also need to satisfy other requirements. But the first is "official time". At the very basic level... my understanding is that for USMS nationals, your entry times are supposed to be "official times". I don't think those get verified (do they?)... but technically speaking, you would not be permitted to use your 500 split as an entry time for nationals if you didn't go through this administrivia to make it an "official time". -Rick
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  • I think as a meet director, you are responsible for your results for far more than 2-3 days after your meet is over. If you don't have access to Meet Manager, you should have a report electronically or in hardcopy that has all of the full split printouts from your meet. (Most of them get posted online anyways.) I'm currently investigating a final time inquiry from a meet that took place a full year ago. Swimmer says their 1650 time was really a 1700 time, and that they swam an extra 50. I'm doing through the archives to determine whatever we can determine. And again... this is separate from any other paperwork rules that may be required for records, etc. This is simply for "official time". For a time to be a record or a top-ten time, it must first be an official time, and may also need to satisfy other requirements. But the first is "official time". At the very basic level... my understanding is that for USMS nationals, your entry times are supposed to be "official times". I don't think those get verified (do they?)... but technically speaking, you would not be permitted to use your 500 split as an entry time for nationals if you didn't go through this administrivia to make it an "official time". -Rick
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