NCAA Times Post Tech Suit Ban?

Yes. Very controversial, they did it in the early 00's when we hired a new AD. It was driven by basketball: the A10 was viewed (with some justification) as more likely to get at-large bids. The problem is that the CAA had all our local "rivals" like JMU, VCU and William and Mary. Now we play teams who are far away (adding to the budget, of course). From a swimming perspective, it wasn't a good move: the CAA was a stronger swimming conference at the time (I don't know about now, I haven't kept up). And there is the distance thing: I don't think UR swims ANY conference "rivals" in meets until they see them at A10s. Sounds very similar to why American U changed to A10. When I was in the CAA, James Madison and East Carolina had the great teams.

I am not that surprised that women's times, in particular, are not terribly effected because I believe the suits women are allowed to wear post-ban are almost as good as the suits pre-ban. I know Leslie will howl at this, but the loss of coverage from knee to ankle, and the loss of a zipper in the back (which means some loss of coverage in the back, too, and probably not as much overall compression) is significant, but in my mind, not that significant! But you're forgetting the most important dirty word all the purists use to describe tech suits -- rubber, rubber, rubber. That's more important than knee to ankle coverage. Women hate knee skins because they make us look fat and are extremely uncomfy on the thighs. I'm sure the thinner swimmers will be less effected than those that could lose a few pounds. I don't really hear much whining about the loss of tech suits from kids. I think masters (and definitely me) whine more b/c we've been wearing them longer and, in some cases (me, Ande, Mike Ross, etc.) every meet.

CAA Conference Championships were held at GMU this weekend- www.nmnathletics.com/.../index.htm I haven't looked at the results in detail, but I'd estimate that over 1/3 of the events had new conference records set, both male and female. Like the study that Chris posted, it seems that the suits are of more limited benefit to fast kids.

Women hate knee skins because they make us look fat and are extremely uncomfy on the thighs. Mom, I think anyone who looks at you, then looks at your oldest son, me, will more than forgive you for whatever imaginary flab you imagine you've gained since delivering me. I only hope they will be so forgiving of me. It's only baby fat, I want to scream! If boobs were not an issue, how many of you women would want to parade your guts in front of a leering world! As far as your rubber argument goes, I am hoping that HB017 will be playing at my guest lodgings this year at Colony Zones so that I can investigate the world of women and tight rubber suits more intensely at night. I recently did a Tyr textile vs. B70 rubberized comparison and found that the former actually outperformed the latter in the 50 fly and 500 free, though it was slower in the 100 free. This was in consecutive Y meets swum two weeks apart, identical events and time spacing in between. For those of you who somehow missed this: Cheating Suit Maximus vs. Cheating Suit Lite: A case study When you do beat me in marquis events, Leslie, and we both know you soon shall, I hope that I have laid more than sufficient ground work for your ongoing cheating-suit-lite advantage being the main reason! Thanks again for birthing me, which, given our age difference, is a true miracle of genetic engineering and modern science.

When you do beat me in marquis events, Leslie, and we both know you soon shall, I hope that I have laid more than sufficient ground work for your ongoing cheating-suit-lite advantage being the main reason! At last, the true reason for this thread emerges!

In fact, I will change my avatar for you Jim. The power I have over women! Magnificent! Thanks, BigNoodler, and sorry that I had to, for spaces purposes, edit down your quote to the most important gist.

At last, the true reason for this thread emerges! Chris, I am amazed that you are a college professor and so evidently lacking in a background in the Classics. Plus, you swam for the Greek Olympic team! For this alone, you should be up on your archetypal myths. And of these myths, none is more powerful than the myth of Oedipus Jim, who was conceived 9 years before his mother was born, implanted into her womb by genetic engineers when she reached the age of 14, giving birth to Oedipus Jim, who was 21 or 22 at the time, weighed 164 lb., and had to be delivered, for obvious reasons, by Caesarian. (Another very, very famous Greek poet renowned for his salad making, Chris. You really need to learn this stuff.) The gods took Oedipus away from his mother, and sent her to a fat farm not because of weight so much as the exhausted elastic skin collagen of her abdominal regions. Anyhow, Oedipus Jim and his best friend Narcissus were looking in a pond, and Narcissus saw his own reflection and could just not look away and fell in and drowned. Oedipus Jim realized that there was nothing necessarily wrong with falling in love with yourself, as long as you were careful about it. Thus he took up swimming, determined to avoid the same fate for himself. When he met his mother much later, he didn't realize she was his mother. He thought she was just some hot chick. He invited her to race in swimming and barely beat her in freestyle, his best event. She had this elaborate suit on, so he wanted one, and for a while, the Gods allowed it. With the elaborate suit, he was able to beat the hot chick even worse! Then the God Capricius, seemingly out of the blue, decided to outlaw the suit for men, but not for women, and Leslie started beating Oedipus Jim easily and regularly. Finally, he couldn't stand it and ripped off Leslie's suit, exposing a still hideously stretched out abdomen from having a boychild years earlier that weighed 164 lb. at the time of his birth (and has subsequently ballooned up to 178.) Anyhow, this is when Oedipus Jim had an epinephrine and realized this was not some random fast hot chick after all, but his MOTHER! He instantly decapitated her with her monofin. Then he plucked his eyes out, hoping to block the sight of that exposed abdomen. The gods would not allow it. The same God who was responsible for restoring Prometheus's liver from its nightly disembowelment by harpies brought back Oedipus Jim's eyes in the form of fiber optic athroscopic cameras and turned coverted the rest of his body into a canula, which is now used worldwide by liposcuctionists to remove the abdominal fat from wealthy women everywhere. All Eternity poking and prodding in fat, unable to blink or turn away: the fate of Oedipus Jim, and all because of a swimming suit... This is what passes for a Happy Ending in Greek Classics. Chris, again, I am surprised you didn't know any of this, which is, in point of fact, the real reason for this thread.

BTW Jim, it will be posted in a couple more minutes but I tell you - I think I WILL get kicked off the board for it. It's inappropriate for reasons that will be self explanatory. Sorry guys and girls. And yes, I continue to lift like a girl even though this torso shot looks like a man. Ugh. Jim, do you suspect we are a bit off the topic here? My god! Those thighs are hideous! Just joking. That is an amazing picture, BigNoodler. What is the red line, though, where the clothing begins? Does the term "Viccies" mean anything to you. As in, "She was wearing her 'viccies' not her 'grannies.'"? You may have just inspired yet another false memory of Greek myths here...

Oh - and I plan to change my 5ft-10in body weight to sub 140... Wow! That's less than 1.5 points from being classified as underweight per the BMI index.

For me, so far, my times are about a half a second slower per 50 in a jammer vs a full body blue seventy nero comp. 50 fr 22.47 vs 21.99 50 bk 25.15 vs 24.64 but I wasn't shaved or rested. This season will reveal who the real swimmers are vs the suit swimmers. The swimmers who swam fast in a full body suit but aren't as fast in jammers. It surprises me that male swimmers aren't maximizing body coverage, at the texas state championships most boys wore their jammers 6 to 8 inches below their belly buttons. It's really a suit maker design flaw, they should provide more fabric. I wrote a SFF tip about what to do to prepare for the change in suit rules. The jist was: + Get in Better shape, + lose weight, + Improve your kick, and + get stronger