first video: butterfly

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I recently bought an underwater video camera, and have recorded my first videos. Here is a clip of my butterfly. (It's my worst stroke, but I'm a sucker for doing things in IM order. Plus fly videos seem to be the hot topic at the moment.) YouTube- Butterfly 10-02-19 I knew that video would be great feedback: the few times I have seen an above-water clip of myself, I have been astonished to see things I was unaware that I was doing. But underwater video is even better. Flaws I can see: hands move too close in front? too much glide/pause in front? stroke not flat enough: too vertical during recovery first kick (with hands extended) is too late? first kick (with hands extended) is too hinged at the knee I'm uncertain about my own diagnosis, though, and would welcome other opinions. Also, since my timing & stroke actually feel fairly smooth to me while swimming (very different from how it looks), I'd love to hear about drills or key attention points that can help me focus on the changes I need to make.
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    In this video of Mike Cavic you can see that he uses a fairly narrow hand entry and pulls pretty much straight back. It's interesting to contrast his stroke with Phelp's. The only two people to swim 100m LCM fly under 50s and they have quite different strokes. Canadian Master swimmer Daniel Lepine, National Record holder over 200m Butterfly Short Course (2:14, his PB over the distance is 2:02 at earlier age). He would bring both hands (during the recovery) to touch each other prior entering in the water. In fact, they would clap together. Can't get any closer as a hand entry. Clean entry thumbs down. Yet, 2:14 over 200m bf at age 44 with around 10-15k of training per week, most of it done during lunch time. Downside: Probably requires more pulling power. And outsweep is probably required (with force being applied instead of backward). Upside: Very clean hand entry. Virtually no spash since both hands enter in the water together thumbs down. - - - extremely interesting clip btw. thanks.
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  • Former Member
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    In this video of Mike Cavic you can see that he uses a fairly narrow hand entry and pulls pretty much straight back. It's interesting to contrast his stroke with Phelp's. The only two people to swim 100m LCM fly under 50s and they have quite different strokes. Canadian Master swimmer Daniel Lepine, National Record holder over 200m Butterfly Short Course (2:14, his PB over the distance is 2:02 at earlier age). He would bring both hands (during the recovery) to touch each other prior entering in the water. In fact, they would clap together. Can't get any closer as a hand entry. Clean entry thumbs down. Yet, 2:14 over 200m bf at age 44 with around 10-15k of training per week, most of it done during lunch time. Downside: Probably requires more pulling power. And outsweep is probably required (with force being applied instead of backward). Upside: Very clean hand entry. Virtually no spash since both hands enter in the water together thumbs down. - - - extremely interesting clip btw. thanks.
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