Butterfly timing

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Last summer I got some video of various swimmers at a club in Montreal and I put together some videos that compare two swimmers' butterfly timing: Above water comparison: YouTube- Butterfly Stroke Comparison Below water comparison: YouTube- Underwater Comparison Of Butterfly Strokes Above and below of just the lower swimmer: YouTube- Alfonso Split Screen Butterfly I wrote some thoughts about the differences in timing here: mymsc.ca/.../butterfly_stroke_timing In addition to the timing there are some other issues like kicking from the knee, but I am interested in what approach people would suggest to help this swimmer improve his stroke, whether it be an approach to changing his timing or something else. I've got a couple swimmers in my club that have similar timing issues and are having a hard time changing. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
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    Solar, if you were Alfonso's coach what approach would you take? Huge question really. My approach to butterfly is so different to that you'd normally find, it's hard to reconcile the two. But if I was indeed his coach, I'd modify his drilling/swimming strategy in a way that he'd gradually bring him to eliminate the dead spot in the front. That alone could allow him to finish the pulling on time so that it would synch with the second kick. First thing I'd do is that for all sets meant to be swam at your best stroke (Alphonso would probably love doing them at BF), I'd make sure that the conditions under which these sets are performed allow for butterflyers to try them at butterfly. I know it may sound obvious, but you'd be surprise at how fast BF specialists are asked to swim during these sets. Often, when I swim with these guys (which occurs once every 2 weeks roughly), I mention to the 5 other swimmers in my lane that I want to do the set at BF. Backstroke specialists often tell me: all right then, go first. Are you crazy? Let the breaststrokers go first, I'll go last. Well Charles, butterfly is a fast stroke isn't it? No it's not. If you want to maintain good form and finish the set, this stroke (at least for me) is even slower than *** stroke. Back to the days I was squad coaching, every swimmer would often have to change lanes depending on the set. In other words, you could be in lane 6 (the fastest) for warming up, but if you're a *** stroke specialist you would move to lane 4 for the main set. That sounds trivial I know but there again, taking me as an example, I can cruise in lane 6 during a free style set, especially using a pull buoy, but I absolutely need to downgrade to lane 4 in order to find send off intervals that suit >1000m set done at my specialty.
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    Solar, if you were Alfonso's coach what approach would you take? Huge question really. My approach to butterfly is so different to that you'd normally find, it's hard to reconcile the two. But if I was indeed his coach, I'd modify his drilling/swimming strategy in a way that he'd gradually bring him to eliminate the dead spot in the front. That alone could allow him to finish the pulling on time so that it would synch with the second kick. First thing I'd do is that for all sets meant to be swam at your best stroke (Alphonso would probably love doing them at BF), I'd make sure that the conditions under which these sets are performed allow for butterflyers to try them at butterfly. I know it may sound obvious, but you'd be surprise at how fast BF specialists are asked to swim during these sets. Often, when I swim with these guys (which occurs once every 2 weeks roughly), I mention to the 5 other swimmers in my lane that I want to do the set at BF. Backstroke specialists often tell me: all right then, go first. Are you crazy? Let the breaststrokers go first, I'll go last. Well Charles, butterfly is a fast stroke isn't it? No it's not. If you want to maintain good form and finish the set, this stroke (at least for me) is even slower than *** stroke. Back to the days I was squad coaching, every swimmer would often have to change lanes depending on the set. In other words, you could be in lane 6 (the fastest) for warming up, but if you're a *** stroke specialist you would move to lane 4 for the main set. That sounds trivial I know but there again, taking me as an example, I can cruise in lane 6 during a free style set, especially using a pull buoy, but I absolutely need to downgrade to lane 4 in order to find send off intervals that suit >1000m set done at my specialty.
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