The following has appeared on a swim forum in the UK
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I’ve been looking at recent masters results. It’s clear that swimmers are producing much slower times without bodysuits. Furthermore, many swimmers are disillusioned and are on the verge of giving up completely. It would be a travesty if these swimmers (they are mostly the over 45s) were lost to the sport altogether.
The majority of masters swimmers prefer to compete in bodysuits. Of that there is no doubt, as witnessed at masters meets up and down the country. It is a disgrace that masters swimmers have been included in the ‘new rules’ concerning elite swimming. I find it quite sad that many swimmers are talking about cutting up their suits, taking out zips and even asking whether they are allowed ‘modesty panels’ in their suits any more.
As always, we are getting no advice, guidance or even leadership from the toothless Masters Committee, whose gingivitic and malocclusive tendencies are attracting Big Nev’s interest, but that’s to be expected.
But it doesn’t have to be like this. Masters swimmers in Italy are not accepting this farce. They are still holding meets where swimmers can choose to wear bodysuits.
There was a recent questionnaire sent out to 4,000 masters swimmers in France. 2,700 swimmers replied, stating they wished to keep their bodysuits for competition.
Masters swimmers in Germany are on the verge of revolution! They accept that masters swimmers are not going to be a threat to any Olympian’s records. Many have now entered masters meets in Italy where they can wear their suits if they want. Also, some meet organisers in Germany are holding similar meets.
Instead of following any directive from our anaemic and tedious Masters Committee, I’d like to see masters swimmers in the UK make a stand against the stupidity surrounding the banning of bodysuits. It will cost me time and money but I’m prepared to organise this.
We need meet organisers in the UK to hold ‘optional suit’ masters meets. Swimmers can choose whether to wear a suit or not. If they are going for a record then the suitless option is a must - but only for a while. I believe that if we boycott masters meets where suits are now allowed, meet organisers, the Masters Committee and the ASA would have to take notice. At the moment they don’t give a toss. At the forefront of the ASA’s mind would be the loss of revenue. Believe me, they see masters swimming as a joke anyway, they would happily let masters swim in bodysuits if it meant they could keep the revenue pouring in.
Getting meet organisers to run ‘bodysuit’ meets would be easy. They would be oversubscribed, every time. Not only from our swimmers but from overseas entries too. I can see one-day meets turning into weekend ones. The organisers could make a lot of money from these well-attended meets. Pulling the plug on masters meets because of low entries would be a thing of the past.
These meets would be the thin end of the wedge in bringing about a change of rules. It‘s the boycotting of ‘non-suit’ meets that would bring a change of rule overnight.
The decathlon would be meaningless because ‘suited’ swims wouldn’t count towards it - but in reality, it is a meaningless competition anyway for all but ten swimmers in the UK who have a chance of winning it.
Don’t underestimate what can be done. Masters swimmers are a powerful group in swimming. The Government is putting very large amounts of money into the greasy hand of the ASA to promote health and fitness for adults. The ASA wouldn’t like the kind of publicity we can give them.
If you feel you can support this initiative I’ll make a start. Masters swimmers in Italy, France and Germany are ready to come on board. Many masters swimmers in America are also willing to make a stand against their governing body. Naturally, support from suit manufacturers is there already. I’ve spoken to four of the biggest.
Just to clarify my position, my issue with USMS is that one can attend sanctioned meets and then not have any swims from that meet count for Top 10 due to a variety of reasons including the pool not being measured; officials not knowing the rules; there is a shortage of officials; officials must leave the meet early; results not submitted in a correct form or in a timely manner or at all and the list goes on and on. This has happened to me numerous times at many meets including travel meets where I've forked over some $$$$'s to compete. This issue in and of itself is enough for one to seek an organization in which retroactive DQ's are not the norm - like at USA-S. If USMS decided to keep the suits, I would be tempted to compete even at the cost of my times never counting simply for the sake of variety and to take advantage of something that USAS does not offer currently.
For me - retroactive DQs (with NO notification to the swimmer) AND tech suit ban combined are not a very appealing combination.
AND, when I've attempted to do further investigation, I'm baffled at the mysterious period between preliminary and final Top 10 publications. Sometimes one can get times in and sometimes one cannot (I've had both instances happen to me.)
For example
Meet #1 2009 - All swims from this meet not included in Prelim T10. I let the appropriate people know immediately. Results included in Final T10.
Meet #2 2009 - All swims from this meet not included in Prelim T10. Let appropriate people know also within that same time frame. Was told it was too late to do anything.
I'm sure there must be a detailed process that published somewhere regarding how this all works from an administrative standpoint. It's not included in our regular rule book or is it? Thanks for any feedback on this.
Maybe what you want is here, under "Guide to Operations."
www.usms.org/.../
I am sorry that this happened to you and am not sure why you've had bad luck. I know that NC has had some issues with TT recorder (3 within one year, I think) but hopefully it is straightened out now. I encourage you to try again.
I've been swimming in masters for over 20 years and it hasn't been an issue for me. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, it just means that if it did, I didn't notice it. Then again, I don't believe I seriously paid attention to TT until 3 years ago, when I became a TT recorder.
The time between preliminary and final TT is to give people time to find errors. It happens all the time. I don't know the answer to your question about why an overlooked meet is accepted one time but not another, but I am trying to find out the policy about that. Deadlines are strictly enforced for TT submissions because Mary Beth's job is hard enough as it is without having to deal with late submissions.
I will say, though, that USA-S has its own share of inanities that I've experienced as both swimmer and parent. Including a situation where the swims from an entire LSC were "wiped out" retroactively, even though they were legit swims. Or delaying a meet for 5 minutes in order to explain to a crying child why she needed to be DQ'ed because she didn't step up to the blocks quite fast enough (ie, the meet was delayed while she was DQ'ed for delay of meet. I don't ever see that happening in USMS meets.)
I have a dozen such stories and although I can *** and moan about specific issues like anyone else, I'm grateful to the organization and the many volunteers that help run it. They do a fine job; so does USMS.
By the way, if you swim in USA-S meets you can still get those times submitted for USMS TT, as long as the pool length has been measured at some point, as you note. (If there is a bulkhead, then it needs to be re-measured at the meet.) And, of course, as long as you are a USMS member. It is up to you to make sure your TT recorder is aware of the meet, though.
Getting USMS times submitted to SWIMS is easily as much of a hassle as that.
Just to clarify my position, my issue with USMS is that one can attend sanctioned meets and then not have any swims from that meet count for Top 10 due to a variety of reasons including the pool not being measured; officials not knowing the rules; there is a shortage of officials; officials must leave the meet early; results not submitted in a correct form or in a timely manner or at all and the list goes on and on. This has happened to me numerous times at many meets including travel meets where I've forked over some $$$$'s to compete. This issue in and of itself is enough for one to seek an organization in which retroactive DQ's are not the norm - like at USA-S. If USMS decided to keep the suits, I would be tempted to compete even at the cost of my times never counting simply for the sake of variety and to take advantage of something that USAS does not offer currently.
For me - retroactive DQs (with NO notification to the swimmer) AND tech suit ban combined are not a very appealing combination.
AND, when I've attempted to do further investigation, I'm baffled at the mysterious period between preliminary and final Top 10 publications. Sometimes one can get times in and sometimes one cannot (I've had both instances happen to me.)
For example
Meet #1 2009 - All swims from this meet not included in Prelim T10. I let the appropriate people know immediately. Results included in Final T10.
Meet #2 2009 - All swims from this meet not included in Prelim T10. Let appropriate people know also within that same time frame. Was told it was too late to do anything.
I'm sure there must be a detailed process that published somewhere regarding how this all works from an administrative standpoint. It's not included in our regular rule book or is it? Thanks for any feedback on this.
Maybe what you want is here, under "Guide to Operations."
www.usms.org/.../
I am sorry that this happened to you and am not sure why you've had bad luck. I know that NC has had some issues with TT recorder (3 within one year, I think) but hopefully it is straightened out now. I encourage you to try again.
I've been swimming in masters for over 20 years and it hasn't been an issue for me. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, it just means that if it did, I didn't notice it. Then again, I don't believe I seriously paid attention to TT until 3 years ago, when I became a TT recorder.
The time between preliminary and final TT is to give people time to find errors. It happens all the time. I don't know the answer to your question about why an overlooked meet is accepted one time but not another, but I am trying to find out the policy about that. Deadlines are strictly enforced for TT submissions because Mary Beth's job is hard enough as it is without having to deal with late submissions.
I will say, though, that USA-S has its own share of inanities that I've experienced as both swimmer and parent. Including a situation where the swims from an entire LSC were "wiped out" retroactively, even though they were legit swims. Or delaying a meet for 5 minutes in order to explain to a crying child why she needed to be DQ'ed because she didn't step up to the blocks quite fast enough (ie, the meet was delayed while she was DQ'ed for delay of meet. I don't ever see that happening in USMS meets.)
I have a dozen such stories and although I can *** and moan about specific issues like anyone else, I'm grateful to the organization and the many volunteers that help run it. They do a fine job; so does USMS.
By the way, if you swim in USA-S meets you can still get those times submitted for USMS TT, as long as the pool length has been measured at some point, as you note. (If there is a bulkhead, then it needs to be re-measured at the meet.) And, of course, as long as you are a USMS member. It is up to you to make sure your TT recorder is aware of the meet, though.
Getting USMS times submitted to SWIMS is easily as much of a hassle as that.