Sinking hips during recovery in fly

Hi Charles, thanks for you post. I worked last year exactly on those points you mentioned in your post. I worked on softer upkick and later downkick (or earlier outsweep). When I analyzed my underwater videos, I realised that I finish with my kick when my arms are under my chest, instead of next to my hips. So, I tried really hard to concentrate on "delaying" beginning downkick until my arms are under my chest, that way downkick would finish at the same time as underwater arm stroke. This shortened my extended arms position, increased overall stroke rate and made my fly harder, but timing was much better. Basically, the only part of butterfly that could significantly be extended (in attempt to swim more relaxed) is the position with extended arms at hands entry phase. But it seems to put kick out of timing. I also concentrated on my hands entry. I would usually jump into the water, which would mean that my hands would go together with head deep into the water and then I would lift them up before starting the outsweep (the swimmer in your bottom video does it as well). I think they say "hands lead the undulation" for this wrong movement. Just my thoughts :) Regards. - Predrag. Great mate, as Ande suggested, it would be very informative to have an idea of what your current fly speed is. That said, as far as I'm concerned, I'd love to know how you're doing on a flat out 50m NAD as well (NAD is the name given to this fly drill we both discovered). That thing isn't meant to be performed slow or moderate speed all the time. Ultimately, it should be performed at full speed, ie full race pace undulation rate (my undulation rate over 50 goes over 50 cycles /min). But regardless of all this, two things: My position has changed regarding the Upbeat preceeding the second dolphin kick. In fact, I made a discovery ever since I last updated this thread (sorry for the confusion). Let us say for now that your move to improve your timing in regards to the second kick is a fair investment. As for my new findings, I'll be more than happy to share them with you here as soon as I finish discussing them with Ernest Maglischo, ie certainly one of the only resources available out there in which I have great trust to discuss these matters.

Hi Charles, thanks for you post. I worked last year exactly on those points you mentioned in your post. I worked on softer upkick and later downkick (or earlier outsweep). When I analyzed my underwater videos, I realised that I finish with my kick when my arms are under my chest, instead of next to my hips. So, I tried really hard to concentrate on "delaying" beginning downkick until my arms are under my chest, that way downkick would finish at the same time as underwater arm stroke. This shortened my extended arms position, increased overall stroke rate and made my fly harder, but timing was much better. Basically, the only part of butterfly that could significantly be extended (in attempt to swim more relaxed) is the position with extended arms at hands entry phase. But it seems to put kick out of timing. I also concentrated on my hands entry. I would usually jump into the water, which would mean that my hands would go together with head deep into the water and then I would lift them up before starting the outsweep (the swimmer in your bottom video does it as well). I think they say "hands lead the undulation" for this wrong movement. Just my thoughts :) Regards. - Predrag. Great mate, as Ande suggested, it would be very informative to have an idea of what your current fly speed is. That said, as far as I'm concerned, I'd love to know how you're doing on a flat out 50m NAD as well (NAD is the name given to this fly drill we both discovered). That thing isn't meant to be performed slow or moderate speed all the time. Ultimately, it should be performed at full speed, ie full race pace undulation rate (my undulation rate over 50 goes over 50 cycles /min). But regardless of all this, two things: My position has changed regarding the Upbeat preceeding the second dolphin kick. In fact, I made a discovery ever since I last updated this thread (sorry for the confusion). Let us say for now that your move to improve your timing in regards to the second kick is a fair investment. As for my new findings, I'll be more than happy to share them with you here as soon as I finish discussing them with Ernest Maglischo, ie certainly one of the only resources available out there in which I have great trust to discuss these matters.