Sinking hips during recovery in fly

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Hi, I'm a butterfly beginner and currently having problem with my hips sinking too much when my arms start with the recovery. I posted some videos at my blog (http://blog.grkovic.com/?p=30) Hips sink so much that first downkick barely lifts them above them the water. Sometimes, they don't even come out. If anybody would have any suggestions, I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks. - Predrag.
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    I'm interested in what led you to try the endurance fly approach versus the more conventional short intervals approach? Hi Lindsay, first thanks for the clip. It's an interesting one. I totally agree with you on the differences that can exist between an endurance based stroke mechanics and sprint based technique. To some extent, it is true for all strokes though. What led me to tackle on this approach? Few things: - I wanted to research on this avenue since very few actually do - I wanted to totally eliminate any fear of being thrown in a 200m event (*) - I wanted to accumulate as much mileage as possible at my specialty stroke - I really love this stroke. I often quit the pool after a ~2k workout without having swam a single length of free style (wup/mainset/cdown all at butterfly) (*) This goal is completely achieved. If I start a 200m too fast now, I slow down (just like with any other stroke) but my arms will recover over the surface without a single doubt. Therefore in the context of a swim squad training set, such as (I donno) 8x200 choice (or specialty) on 4min, I can book the whole set at butterfly. I would just go after the breaststrokers. In such a set, the best I could aim for would be 3:20-3:25 at the moment. So that places me after the breaststrokers. I must say that I'm not entirely satisfied with my performances over 50 so far. 31.7 is my best this year and this is still a full second slower than what I had expected. However, in training so far, I have accumulated maybe 20 50m sprints, no more than that. So I blame this relatively slow 50m on the inefficiency of my anaerobic metabolism (almost untrained). My first attempt at a 50m butterfly (shown on a previous clip) resulted in 31.8 with no previous sprint training whatsoever (I went from pure base endurance to this competition without modifying my schedule and without tapering). But like I said, I specialize over 200 and my goal for this year would be to bring it home in 2:45. I have enough pure speed to achieve this, so I'm not overly worried. As soon as I work toward bringing my 100m well under 1:10 (that 100clip was worth 1:14 in practice, no warmup whatsoever, dry dive so to speak), I expect my 50m to go under 30s which is my goal for this year. As for your comment about pulling patterns, I share your views 100% (agree on all counts). I am currently working very seriously to achieve pretty much the same hand/arm entry as Phelp's. I think that this guy really set what could be considered as the most perfect butterfly stroke actually available. Lots of power but yet, very little drag, almost no splash on entry, amazing!! I want no more outward scull. A wide entry with no dead spot whatsoever in the front.
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  • Former Member
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    I'm interested in what led you to try the endurance fly approach versus the more conventional short intervals approach? Hi Lindsay, first thanks for the clip. It's an interesting one. I totally agree with you on the differences that can exist between an endurance based stroke mechanics and sprint based technique. To some extent, it is true for all strokes though. What led me to tackle on this approach? Few things: - I wanted to research on this avenue since very few actually do - I wanted to totally eliminate any fear of being thrown in a 200m event (*) - I wanted to accumulate as much mileage as possible at my specialty stroke - I really love this stroke. I often quit the pool after a ~2k workout without having swam a single length of free style (wup/mainset/cdown all at butterfly) (*) This goal is completely achieved. If I start a 200m too fast now, I slow down (just like with any other stroke) but my arms will recover over the surface without a single doubt. Therefore in the context of a swim squad training set, such as (I donno) 8x200 choice (or specialty) on 4min, I can book the whole set at butterfly. I would just go after the breaststrokers. In such a set, the best I could aim for would be 3:20-3:25 at the moment. So that places me after the breaststrokers. I must say that I'm not entirely satisfied with my performances over 50 so far. 31.7 is my best this year and this is still a full second slower than what I had expected. However, in training so far, I have accumulated maybe 20 50m sprints, no more than that. So I blame this relatively slow 50m on the inefficiency of my anaerobic metabolism (almost untrained). My first attempt at a 50m butterfly (shown on a previous clip) resulted in 31.8 with no previous sprint training whatsoever (I went from pure base endurance to this competition without modifying my schedule and without tapering). But like I said, I specialize over 200 and my goal for this year would be to bring it home in 2:45. I have enough pure speed to achieve this, so I'm not overly worried. As soon as I work toward bringing my 100m well under 1:10 (that 100clip was worth 1:14 in practice, no warmup whatsoever, dry dive so to speak), I expect my 50m to go under 30s which is my goal for this year. As for your comment about pulling patterns, I share your views 100% (agree on all counts). I am currently working very seriously to achieve pretty much the same hand/arm entry as Phelp's. I think that this guy really set what could be considered as the most perfect butterfly stroke actually available. Lots of power but yet, very little drag, almost no splash on entry, amazing!! I want no more outward scull. A wide entry with no dead spot whatsoever in the front.
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