Sinking hips during recovery in fly

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Hi, I'm a butterfly beginner and currently having problem with my hips sinking too much when my arms start with the recovery. I posted some videos at my blog (http://blog.grkovic.com/?p=30) Hips sink so much that first downkick barely lifts them above them the water. Sometimes, they don't even come out. If anybody would have any suggestions, I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks. - Predrag.
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    I was just curious, do you swim 1 kilo in one go, without breaks? I could and I did a few times. But usually I prefer to split the distance into smaller chunks, mainly to break the boredom and also to improve comfort (after a while, I loose my bathing cap etc... it's good to have a short rest interval to put it back in place). Last summer, my only swim workout (I train as a triathlete) was 5x200 butterfly endurance pace. Looks hard, but it's not. The key is slowing down the butterfly execution so that more mileage can be done at full stroke. That clip was taken during one of these sessions last summer. It's very slowish but it gives you an idea YouTube- Base endurance Butterfly - Full stroke (Side View) These days I like to perform a whole bunch of 50m. Yesterday I did 24x50m and I want to grow this up to 60x50m butterfly on 1min cruising between 45-50s. This is my goal. I learnt it myself. As I remember, I started with kickboard held in front with stretched arms and kicking first and second kick. Then I removed kickboard. Great!!! Lastly, I moved arms next to the body. yack!! (way too slow I hate this one). I think that the breathing moment in this drill could easily go slightly wrong, shifted a little bit late, after the second kick. I agree 100%. I like to teach people to look at where they're going to breathe before breathing. It usually sufficient to sort the timing out. Do you maybe have underwater footage of yourself doing it? No not yet although I fancy buying one of these underwater cam. Do you think you bend in hips during second kick? Not sure I understand this question... Ah you mean doing this little cheat? I most likely do, especially when doing fast mileage. In fact, the reason why I don't try to eliminate it from the full stroke at this point is that I'm also doing it whilst kicking and well. 3min45 for 200 kick, I'm pleased with it. If it's not broken don't try to fix it! Thanks a lot solar once again. I really appreciate your advices. You're very good Predrag, very analytic. Back to the slow mileage, my main goal in approaching BF this way was to accumulate a lot of volume where I can focus on staying at the surface, where I have plenty of time thinking about all those body parts that need to work together in harmony etc.... Could be a good approach for you as well!!
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  • Former Member
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    I was just curious, do you swim 1 kilo in one go, without breaks? I could and I did a few times. But usually I prefer to split the distance into smaller chunks, mainly to break the boredom and also to improve comfort (after a while, I loose my bathing cap etc... it's good to have a short rest interval to put it back in place). Last summer, my only swim workout (I train as a triathlete) was 5x200 butterfly endurance pace. Looks hard, but it's not. The key is slowing down the butterfly execution so that more mileage can be done at full stroke. That clip was taken during one of these sessions last summer. It's very slowish but it gives you an idea YouTube- Base endurance Butterfly - Full stroke (Side View) These days I like to perform a whole bunch of 50m. Yesterday I did 24x50m and I want to grow this up to 60x50m butterfly on 1min cruising between 45-50s. This is my goal. I learnt it myself. As I remember, I started with kickboard held in front with stretched arms and kicking first and second kick. Then I removed kickboard. Great!!! Lastly, I moved arms next to the body. yack!! (way too slow I hate this one). I think that the breathing moment in this drill could easily go slightly wrong, shifted a little bit late, after the second kick. I agree 100%. I like to teach people to look at where they're going to breathe before breathing. It usually sufficient to sort the timing out. Do you maybe have underwater footage of yourself doing it? No not yet although I fancy buying one of these underwater cam. Do you think you bend in hips during second kick? Not sure I understand this question... Ah you mean doing this little cheat? I most likely do, especially when doing fast mileage. In fact, the reason why I don't try to eliminate it from the full stroke at this point is that I'm also doing it whilst kicking and well. 3min45 for 200 kick, I'm pleased with it. If it's not broken don't try to fix it! Thanks a lot solar once again. I really appreciate your advices. You're very good Predrag, very analytic. Back to the slow mileage, my main goal in approaching BF this way was to accumulate a lot of volume where I can focus on staying at the surface, where I have plenty of time thinking about all those body parts that need to work together in harmony etc.... Could be a good approach for you as well!!
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