I don't think Bob did anything questionable, everything came together & he had that amazing WR leap that stood for years.
Suspect records might be FloJo's 100 & 200 M dashes at the 1988 olympics, those records still stand, in all these years, no ones come close to either, even Marion Jones who admitted to doping didn't beat them.
Were the rubber suits were better than drugs?
I find it rather akin to what happened in the long jump at the '68 Olympics. Beamon buried the record and most say it was due to the altitude and the fact that the wind was a barely legal 2.0 m/s. It wasn't until 1991 that this was finally taken down(Still the record, BTW). Interesting that the current woman's mark in the long jump is from 1988.
-LBJ
* That little flower-shaped character you see in ads that indicates there's a little bit more to the statement and things aren't quite as good as they seem!!! :cry:
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I would propose that any post you make regarding swimming be accompanied by an *.
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I find it rather akin to what happened in the long jump at the '68 Olympics. Beamon buried the record and most say it was due to the altitude and the fact that the wind was a barely legal 2.0 m/s. It wasn't until 1991 that this was finally taken down(Still the record, BTW). Interesting that the current woman's mark in the long jump is from 1988.
-LBJ
Because of all the variations in all the gadgets and gizmos that have come to the market (and those that could be on their way in the future), any new record set by using a mechanized swimming technique is basically a moot issue.
As I stated in one of my previous posts, the maximum speed will be determined by an individual swimmer’s power to drag ratio and the propulsion efficiency:
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Therefore any mechanized swimming aid that maximizes the power to drag ratio will also set a new record.
However to be honest and truthful, any new record set using a tech suit should be listed with an asterisk (*) next to it -and it call it a day.
* That little flower-shaped character you see in ads that indicates there's a little bit more to the statement and things aren't quite as good as they seem!!! :cry:
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Going to ignore one of the posters ...
The 50 Free will be untouchable and stand the longest.
400 IM - that will go down within the next ten years. That seems normal progress - just as the 400 Free. Thorpe went 3:40 - I can see somebody get this in a few years.
The 2:06 for women is interesting - based on the Men's times, women should be able to go 2:06 - the difference in 200s is usually 11-12 seconds - but I can't see it happen - same for the 2:01 Fly. But I can see people getting close.
The 50 Free though, I am not sure people will be within 1/2 a second at the next Olympics.
As soon as I read the title of this thread I thought "Ariana Kukors" and sure enough, she was listed first in the article. With that said, Liu's 200 fly and Bousquet's 50 free will be very hard to beat. Of everything mentioned here, Biedermann's 200 free is the most vulnerable. *ahem* HEY PHELPS, NO WAY IN HELL YOU GO UNDER 1:42 IN LONDON. (And just like that, that record is toast. :chug:)
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I don't think Bob did anything questionable, everything came together & he had that amazing WR leap that stood for years.
Suspect records might be FloJo's 100 & 200 M dashes at the 1988 olympics, those records still stand, in all these years, no ones come close to either, even Marion Jones who admitted to doping didn't beat them.
Were the rubber suits were better than drugs?
No, Beamon's jump is not in question, I was just making the point that we have a situation where we could have a record that lasts for a ridiculously long time a la Beamon's. That jump was something of a problem to the track & field work since it was legit by the rules of the day because no one understand all the implications of jumping at altitude, but it also was clearly an outlier. Later it was marked with an asterisk, but it was still the world record.
The women's long jump WR - by a Russian in '88 - is suspect at best.The women's 800 meter record from 1983 is positively a travesty. Flojo's runs are problematic to the T&F world on two counts: They were so far ahead of anything that she had done prior and there is a lot of doubt that the wind reading was made correctly and it was well over the allowable. On the other side, we have Usain Bolt in the men's sprints who is doing Flojo-like things and yet is tested constantly. So, if he is legit, then Flojo might have been a freak of nature as well. (No other way to describe Bolt - he's too fast to properly wrap your brain around.)
So... I just hope that this suit-era doesn't become an asterisk-based embarassment for swimming.
-LBJ
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Can someone please ban this joker?
Just because you don't like what he writes and advocates for doesn't mean he should be silenced.
Last I checked, the clique doesn't make the rules.