Please, help my butterfly stroke!!!

I have a question for those of us trying to just to increase their distance in the fly. i'd really like to put together a decent 50 fly so that i could eventually try and race a 200 IM. I have no problem making a 25, but once i have to make that turn, I can do a few decent strokes it all goes to pot so that i end up having to muscle most of the 2nd 25. I'm not sure if the best way to improve on this is just to: 1) continue muscling the second 25 2) go to 1-arm when i start falling apart, 3) work on 50s with fins or a pull bouy 4) do 25s with rest with enough rest so i can finish the 2nd 25. anyone been there and done that? :confused: thanks. I have a similar problem except my fall-off point is after 50yds/m. Things I have done in the past include: 1) sets of 50s with first 25 fly, second 25 free, working the dolphin kick off the turn. 2) sets of 50s with first 25 free, second 25 fly, trying to keep the first 25 solid but not race pace, then focus on maintaining good fly form on the 2nd 25. 3) swimming sets of 25 fly (4-20), start out with lots of rest for the first 2-6? (depends on conditioning), then reduce the rest incrementally. When form starts to break down, rest more and repeat when you're ready. 4) swimming lengths of 25s focusing on a relaxed easy glide to help pace longer swims. I don't have the guts to swim a 200 fly yet, but I can swim a nice slow one by gliding through the stroke. 5) swim sets of 25s just dolphin kicking, gradually work up to 50s, 75s then 100s. When I wear out it's usually my legs first, then that results in poor body position, which results in my arms and shoulders wearing out. Training my kick has helped reduce my times in both the 50 and 100 fly events. 6) screwy stuff - while swimming 100s & 200s free every so often I'll swim the last 25 fly to get a feel of swimming it while worn down. I'll push within reason, but do my best to maintain good form. I'm not a stroke purist in that I think a little bit of effort in the "sloppy zone" can be beneficial just to help conditioning for swimming whatever distance you want. Kind of like 2 steps forward, 1 step back. For me, achieving distance on fly is an incremental process. My :2cents::2cents: for what it's worth.

I have a question for those of us trying to just to increase their distance in the fly. i'd really like to put together a decent 50 fly so that i could eventually try and race a 200 IM. I have no problem making a 25, but once i have to make that turn, I can do a few decent strokes it all goes to pot so that i end up having to muscle most of the 2nd 25. I'm not sure if the best way to improve on this is just to: 1) continue muscling the second 25 2) go to 1-arm when i start falling apart, 3) work on 50s with fins or a pull bouy 4) do 25s with rest with enough rest so i can finish the 2nd 25. anyone been there and done that? :confused: thanks. I have a similar problem except my fall-off point is after 50yds/m. Things I have done in the past include: 1) sets of 50s with first 25 fly, second 25 free, working the dolphin kick off the turn. 2) sets of 50s with first 25 free, second 25 fly, trying to keep the first 25 solid but not race pace, then focus on maintaining good fly form on the 2nd 25. 3) swimming sets of 25 fly (4-20), start out with lots of rest for the first 2-6? (depends on conditioning), then reduce the rest incrementally. When form starts to break down, rest more and repeat when you're ready. 4) swimming lengths of 25s focusing on a relaxed easy glide to help pace longer swims. I don't have the guts to swim a 200 fly yet, but I can swim a nice slow one by gliding through the stroke. 5) swim sets of 25s just dolphin kicking, gradually work up to 50s, 75s then 100s. When I wear out it's usually my legs first, then that results in poor body position, which results in my arms and shoulders wearing out. Training my kick has helped reduce my times in both the 50 and 100 fly events. 6) screwy stuff - while swimming 100s & 200s free every so often I'll swim the last 25 fly to get a feel of swimming it while worn down. I'll push within reason, but do my best to maintain good form. I'm not a stroke purist in that I think a little bit of effort in the "sloppy zone" can be beneficial just to help conditioning for swimming whatever distance you want. Kind of like 2 steps forward, 1 step back. For me, achieving distance on fly is an incremental process. My :2cents::2cents: for what it's worth.