Increasing turnover

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Anyone have any good suggestions for increasing turnover other than the obvious?
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    As a mostly distance swimmer in all stroke, I can't seem to increase turnover without getting way tired ! That's probably because you're good enough technically to do so without loosing water (DPS). Given a glide time of 5sec followed by 18 strokes per 25m (scm), a 1500 is done in 24min flat at 60spm, and almost 23min flat at 63. So if one's pb over 1500 is close to 24, just increasing the rate by 1 or 2 stroke without scarifying any DPS should feel much harder. Increasing turn over isn't like I don't know, recovering the arm with finger close to the surface or kicking from the hips. For someone that already swims relatively well, increasing turnover is more affected by fitness than by technique per se. It's not something you'd go like hey! Today I will increase my rate turnover by 5-10strokes per minute and my performances should improve. I think that when one gets close to the ideal balance between rate and length, the improvement in turn over can be better done with a pacing tool such as SwimSmooth's wetronome (or any other device that allows you to precisely set the desired rate at which key sets should be swam). It's also possible to modify the balance between rate and lengths though. Based on how I feel, I sometimes begin sets adding one stroke per 25 (deliberately that is) in order to make room for an increased rate. I'd do this to make the set little more cardio, little less muscle intensive. Overall performances may benefit from this "reconfiguration". However, well, you do it with a stroke or 2 per 25, that doesn't leave that much room for more turn over. "Too many swimmers focus on pushing their hand back at the end of the stroke, which just delays getting it back to the power position". I'd tend to agree here, especially if the goal is to increase turnover. One of my favorite freestyle instructional videos of Lindsay Benco stresses "completing the stroke all the way past your hip". Too bad this video has been removed from Youtube due to copyrights violation. It was indeed one of the best freestyle clip available there. Has emphasis on this phase of the stroke become obsolete, and a quicker recovery considered more efficient? To a certain extent yes. It's very easy though to aim for a balance here. If you loose DPS as a result of this (cutting on final pulling push), then you may have cut too much. Therefore the idea here is to constantly asses both DPS and time (as well as rate if possible but this is more complicated especially without a pacing device) Also the coach yells, "Thumbs down your sides!" Does this still apply? If this is to favor recovering the arm whilst keeping the shoulder "unlocked" yes. It still applies. I like to evaluate this on a case per case basis though.
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  • Former Member
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    As a mostly distance swimmer in all stroke, I can't seem to increase turnover without getting way tired ! That's probably because you're good enough technically to do so without loosing water (DPS). Given a glide time of 5sec followed by 18 strokes per 25m (scm), a 1500 is done in 24min flat at 60spm, and almost 23min flat at 63. So if one's pb over 1500 is close to 24, just increasing the rate by 1 or 2 stroke without scarifying any DPS should feel much harder. Increasing turn over isn't like I don't know, recovering the arm with finger close to the surface or kicking from the hips. For someone that already swims relatively well, increasing turnover is more affected by fitness than by technique per se. It's not something you'd go like hey! Today I will increase my rate turnover by 5-10strokes per minute and my performances should improve. I think that when one gets close to the ideal balance between rate and length, the improvement in turn over can be better done with a pacing tool such as SwimSmooth's wetronome (or any other device that allows you to precisely set the desired rate at which key sets should be swam). It's also possible to modify the balance between rate and lengths though. Based on how I feel, I sometimes begin sets adding one stroke per 25 (deliberately that is) in order to make room for an increased rate. I'd do this to make the set little more cardio, little less muscle intensive. Overall performances may benefit from this "reconfiguration". However, well, you do it with a stroke or 2 per 25, that doesn't leave that much room for more turn over. "Too many swimmers focus on pushing their hand back at the end of the stroke, which just delays getting it back to the power position". I'd tend to agree here, especially if the goal is to increase turnover. One of my favorite freestyle instructional videos of Lindsay Benco stresses "completing the stroke all the way past your hip". Too bad this video has been removed from Youtube due to copyrights violation. It was indeed one of the best freestyle clip available there. Has emphasis on this phase of the stroke become obsolete, and a quicker recovery considered more efficient? To a certain extent yes. It's very easy though to aim for a balance here. If you loose DPS as a result of this (cutting on final pulling push), then you may have cut too much. Therefore the idea here is to constantly asses both DPS and time (as well as rate if possible but this is more complicated especially without a pacing device) Also the coach yells, "Thumbs down your sides!" Does this still apply? If this is to favor recovering the arm whilst keeping the shoulder "unlocked" yes. It still applies. I like to evaluate this on a case per case basis though.
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