Freestyle technique

As a matter of fact, I don't know what your experience in coaching kids (age groupers) is, but often, when a kid is forced to not pull, then need to spend a lot of time kicking. Could you try and finish this thought? Because it's very confusing and I have no idea what you are trying to say. If a swimmer is forced to not pull, then there's pretty much only one other way to to get across the pool.

I am with George on this one. In my case being able to pull and kick seperately did not mean that I could combine them in a full stroke swim. I spent quite a lot of time trying to coordinate the arm stroke and kick without success. It just felt not right because I could feel my legs were somehow disconnected to my arm stroke. Only recently did I begin to figure out how to coordinate them though probably still not complete correct. But it felt just different. More natural and probably more efficient. But I am just a novice swimmer. What you guys were discussing are more advanced and way past the basic level of mine.

I did practice kicking on occasion. When ther was no alternative, if the pool was so full there was no lane to train in I held onto the wall and kicked furiously for about 10 minutes. (see? doesn't hurt admitting hunh? :D ... kidding here) As a matter of fact, I don't know what your experience in coaching kids (age groupers) is, but often, when a kid is forced to not pull, then need to spend a lot of time kicking. Have you noticed that often times, these unscheduled kick training camps turn out to be beneficial for the full stroke.

I do not believe kick sets are important. I can tell you this, If I can beat a swimmer in a kick race, there is 95% chance I can beat him if we compete in the same race with full stroke. BTW, that's why you were in the top 10 and not #1, you needed a few kick sets to speed up

By saying top 10 - I was never posted 10th or 9th or 8th. and I never cared. I can remember beating the #1 ranked swimmers on many occassions. New thanks for the critique. Just wonder what is your ranking in the world??? You had to live in my shoes to understand why I did not train very hard. I swam by stroke technique only. I happen to believe in full stroke training my opinion. You are welcome to kick your guts out along with the other guys who believe kick is the only thing that counts. It so happened I did not train as much as others but I did well for my health situation at the time.

What is a niggle pwolf66 you seem to understand. It's an expression I got from a brit forums :) And yes it means having an issue with something. Sorry for being so cryptic, not done on purpose. I'll reajust :)

Sorry (French is my mother tongue) I just meant that I have witnessed over time that when an age grouper faces a shoulder or an elbow niggle they are forced (like you say) to kick a lot. Often, this kicking regiment end up having a surprisingly favorable impact on overall full stroke performance. Ah, now I get it. Thanks for the clarification.

Could you try and finish this thought? Because it's very confusing and I have no idea what you are trying to say. If a swimmer is forced to not pull, then there's pretty much only one other way to to get across the pool. Sorry (French is my mother tongue) I just meant that I have witnessed over time that when an age grouper faces a shoulder or an elbow niggle they are forced (like you say) to kick a lot. Often, this kicking regiment end up having a surprisingly favorable impact on overall full stroke performance.

What is a niggle pwolf66 you seem to understand. Is this what it means??? niggle Verb 1. to worry slightly 2. to find fault continually Noun 1. a small worry or doubt 2. a trivial objection or complaint niggling adj