Advice on my flip turn

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I have been working on developing a flip turn intermittently for the past 18 months. So far, I have strengthened my abdominal muscles to the point that I can flip without using my hands, just abds. Now, I am trying to figure out when to flip relative to the wall and how to get off the wall in streamline. This video has 4 turns looking from the side, followed by 5 turns looking from the bottom of the wall aimed up toward the surface. I am still using fins as it gives me more kick control as I approach the wall, and fins protect my feet if I overshoot. Looks to me that I flip too far from the wall and then have to find the wall with my feet, so I end up pushing off too deep. The last 2 or 3 turns are a bit better. Any expert advice would be greatly appreciated! 9/2/2009: For privacy, I have removed this video from public view on floswimming.org. PM me if you wish to view it. Video with GoPro Hero Wide camera and edited with Microsoft Windows Movie Maker 2. Thanks, RadSwim
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    It seems to me that you are gliding into the wall. You want to accelerate into the wall; not glide into it. You need to tuck yourself up into a tighter ball. The smaller the ball, the faster you will turn. Try it! You are turning too far from the wall. This is partially related to you not having enough momentum going into the turn. Having said that, you are doing very well for someone who has just started learning the flip turn. My advice would be to lose those fins. ( You need to get a proper feel for what you are doing. You probably will smack your heels on the wall a few times. That is par for the course. It happens to almost everyone). Try to speed the whole processs up without losing form. If you tuck into a tighter ball you will find that you can turn a lot closer to the wall than you are now. That final stroke before the turn should be powerful and drive you into the wall. You don't want to lose any of your speed in the turn. It is not the time to take a rest but rather an opportunity to advantage of the kick off the wall to speed up. Here are some really sensible tips from swim.com. 1. Accelerate as you approach the wall. The faster you swim into the wall, the more energy you have available to convert into a fast spin. And the faster you spin the easier it will be to blast off the wall. Power through those last couple of meters with a strong kick and you may be surprised at how quickly your feet land on the wall.2. Do not breathe on your last stroke. Every breath takes you out of streamline position, which decreases your momentum. On that last stroke before the wall, you want to maximize (not decrease!) the amount of forward energy you are carrying into the turn.3. Do not breathe on your first stroke. Again, breathing on the first arm stroke after the turn takes you out of streamline position and bleeds forward momentum at a critical moment. (The fastest you’re ever going in a pool is in the first few meters after you have pushed off the wall.) Plus, your first arm stroke will be most powerful if your head is in a neutral position, rather than turned to the side.4. Make sure your feet go straight over the top. You will actually spin faster, and your feet will arrive on the wall more quickly if your throw them straight over the top, as opposed to over the top and slightly off to the side. 5. Push off on your back. If you are flipping your feet straight over the top, but twisting onto your stomach before pushing off the wall, you are likely spending at least one, if not three, seconds ON the wall, where your speed is exactly zero meters per second. Instead, push off the wall the instant your feet land there. (You should be on your back.) Twist as you streamline kick to the surface. Hot Tip: Breaking Old Flip Turn Habits If you are trying to break the habit of twisting either during your somersault or when your feet are on the wall, swim freestyle-to-backstroke 50s in your warm-up and warm-down. In other words, swim a lap of freestyle, flip turn, and push off on your back for a lap of backstroke. Once you’re doing those five things – even when you’re swimming on automatic pilot – there are a few details that will take your flip turns to the next level. 6. Tuck into a tighter ball.The smaller you get, the less time you will need to complete the rotation. It really is that simple. Hot Tip: Somersault Freestyle Drill Somersault freestyle is a drill that will help improve the speed of your flip turns. As you swim freestyle, every six or eight arm strokes, do a somersault. Practice getting as small as possible, spinning really fast, and not breathing right before or right after the somersault. 7. Do not look directly at the target.When you look directly at the target on the wall (the black cross), you have to lift your chin, and that takes your head (and upper body) in the opposite direction you need to go! Instead, look for the target by moving just your eyes. You cannot look directly at the target if you… 8. Keep your chin tucked.A common mistake beginners make when learning flip turns is that they pick their head up and out of the water before initiating the forward flip. They are using their head and upper body to generate the momentum they need to somersault. You may not pick your head so far up that your eyes come out of the water, but check to see that you are not letting your chin come too far away from your chest. In other words, don’t cheat and use your head to create momentum. Use your core muscles and the good technique described in the above steps to convert your forward momentum into spinning momentum. 9. Keep your elbows near your torso.Resist the temptation to create spin with wide, flailing arms. When you finish your last arm stroke just before the turn, both arms will be at your hips. Press on the back of your hands, but keep your arms where they are, so that you somersault between them. (Use your core muscles to pull your head down toward your knees and to whip your feet over and down to their landing spot on the wall.) When your feet hit the wall, your hands will be in exactly the right place to streamline as you push off the wall. 10. Don’t flip too close to the wall.If you execute your turn when your head is within an inch or two of the gutter you are way too close to the wall! When your feet land on the wall in a well-executed flip turn, your legs should be bent as if you are sitting in a chair that is slightly too short. To understand why, try this experiment. Do two vertical jumps from the ground (with your arms in streamline position, of course). On the first, crouch all the way to the ground, and begin your jump from there. (Bend your knees so that your butt is basically touching your heels, as it would be in a too-close-to-the-wall flip turn.) On the second, crouch down just until your knee angle is slightly less than 90 degrees. (Your hips will be just barely lower than your knees.) You’ll probably get about the same height off the ground on both, but which felt easier? Plus, here’s the added bonus of flip turning just a little further from the wall: that’s 12 inches less you have to swim on every lap! Experiment with these techniques in your workouts, and you should have faster, easier freestyle flip turns.
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  • Former Member
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    It seems to me that you are gliding into the wall. You want to accelerate into the wall; not glide into it. You need to tuck yourself up into a tighter ball. The smaller the ball, the faster you will turn. Try it! You are turning too far from the wall. This is partially related to you not having enough momentum going into the turn. Having said that, you are doing very well for someone who has just started learning the flip turn. My advice would be to lose those fins. ( You need to get a proper feel for what you are doing. You probably will smack your heels on the wall a few times. That is par for the course. It happens to almost everyone). Try to speed the whole processs up without losing form. If you tuck into a tighter ball you will find that you can turn a lot closer to the wall than you are now. That final stroke before the turn should be powerful and drive you into the wall. You don't want to lose any of your speed in the turn. It is not the time to take a rest but rather an opportunity to advantage of the kick off the wall to speed up. Here are some really sensible tips from swim.com. 1. Accelerate as you approach the wall. The faster you swim into the wall, the more energy you have available to convert into a fast spin. And the faster you spin the easier it will be to blast off the wall. Power through those last couple of meters with a strong kick and you may be surprised at how quickly your feet land on the wall.2. Do not breathe on your last stroke. Every breath takes you out of streamline position, which decreases your momentum. On that last stroke before the wall, you want to maximize (not decrease!) the amount of forward energy you are carrying into the turn.3. Do not breathe on your first stroke. Again, breathing on the first arm stroke after the turn takes you out of streamline position and bleeds forward momentum at a critical moment. (The fastest you’re ever going in a pool is in the first few meters after you have pushed off the wall.) Plus, your first arm stroke will be most powerful if your head is in a neutral position, rather than turned to the side.4. Make sure your feet go straight over the top. You will actually spin faster, and your feet will arrive on the wall more quickly if your throw them straight over the top, as opposed to over the top and slightly off to the side. 5. Push off on your back. If you are flipping your feet straight over the top, but twisting onto your stomach before pushing off the wall, you are likely spending at least one, if not three, seconds ON the wall, where your speed is exactly zero meters per second. Instead, push off the wall the instant your feet land there. (You should be on your back.) Twist as you streamline kick to the surface. Hot Tip: Breaking Old Flip Turn Habits If you are trying to break the habit of twisting either during your somersault or when your feet are on the wall, swim freestyle-to-backstroke 50s in your warm-up and warm-down. In other words, swim a lap of freestyle, flip turn, and push off on your back for a lap of backstroke. Once you’re doing those five things – even when you’re swimming on automatic pilot – there are a few details that will take your flip turns to the next level. 6. Tuck into a tighter ball.The smaller you get, the less time you will need to complete the rotation. It really is that simple. Hot Tip: Somersault Freestyle Drill Somersault freestyle is a drill that will help improve the speed of your flip turns. As you swim freestyle, every six or eight arm strokes, do a somersault. Practice getting as small as possible, spinning really fast, and not breathing right before or right after the somersault. 7. Do not look directly at the target.When you look directly at the target on the wall (the black cross), you have to lift your chin, and that takes your head (and upper body) in the opposite direction you need to go! Instead, look for the target by moving just your eyes. You cannot look directly at the target if you… 8. Keep your chin tucked.A common mistake beginners make when learning flip turns is that they pick their head up and out of the water before initiating the forward flip. They are using their head and upper body to generate the momentum they need to somersault. You may not pick your head so far up that your eyes come out of the water, but check to see that you are not letting your chin come too far away from your chest. In other words, don’t cheat and use your head to create momentum. Use your core muscles and the good technique described in the above steps to convert your forward momentum into spinning momentum. 9. Keep your elbows near your torso.Resist the temptation to create spin with wide, flailing arms. When you finish your last arm stroke just before the turn, both arms will be at your hips. Press on the back of your hands, but keep your arms where they are, so that you somersault between them. (Use your core muscles to pull your head down toward your knees and to whip your feet over and down to their landing spot on the wall.) When your feet hit the wall, your hands will be in exactly the right place to streamline as you push off the wall. 10. Don’t flip too close to the wall.If you execute your turn when your head is within an inch or two of the gutter you are way too close to the wall! When your feet land on the wall in a well-executed flip turn, your legs should be bent as if you are sitting in a chair that is slightly too short. To understand why, try this experiment. Do two vertical jumps from the ground (with your arms in streamline position, of course). On the first, crouch all the way to the ground, and begin your jump from there. (Bend your knees so that your butt is basically touching your heels, as it would be in a too-close-to-the-wall flip turn.) On the second, crouch down just until your knee angle is slightly less than 90 degrees. (Your hips will be just barely lower than your knees.) You’ll probably get about the same height off the ground on both, but which felt easier? Plus, here’s the added bonus of flip turning just a little further from the wall: that’s 12 inches less you have to swim on every lap! Experiment with these techniques in your workouts, and you should have faster, easier freestyle flip turns.
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