High school swimming disqualifies advanced suits
By Thomas O'Toole, USA TODAY
High school swimmers will be banned from wearing high-tech suits under a rule announced Tuesday by the National Federation of State High School Associations.
The change, effective immediately, mirrors a recent decision by the sport's international governing body and puts more emphasis on the ability of the swimmer instead of the quality of the suit. Suits now must be of a woven/knit textile material, permeable to water and air and cannot aid buoyancy.
Boys suits can't go above the waist or below the top of the knee.
Girls suits can't go above the shoulders or below the top of the knee and can't cover the neck.
"Wow. It's a big deal," said David Marsh, coaching director and CEO at SwimMAC Carolina in Charlotte and a former coach at Auburn University. "Most purist coaches like myself are happy to hear that you are able to judge a swimmer by the performance of the athlete himself."
To emphasize his point, Marsh said all he had to do Tuesday was look around the Weyerhaeuser King County Aquatics Center in Federal Way, Wash., site of the Speedo Junior National Championships.
Many of the top high school swimmers are there, and the meet is scouted by hundreds of college coaches. He said he asked one coach if he was noting which suits the swimmers were wearing and was told yes.
High-tech suits generally prove more helpful to lower-level swimmers than Olympians. "Absolutely," said Marsh. He said college coaches need to know how much of a difference the suit makes when they "are looking at investing the amount they are investing in these high school swimmers.
"They are adding unnatural flotation to their bodies. The suit kind of covers technique flaws. It affects how you use your energy. You don't have to kick as hard. But the biggest thing might be the psychological impact of wearing them."
The ruling pertains to 250,000 swimmers at 13,000 schools nationwide.
"These high-tech suits had fundamentally altered the sport and become more similar to equipment, rather than a uniform," Becky Oakes, NFHS assistant director and liaison to the swimming and diving rules committee, said in a statement. "The rules of swimming have always prohibited the use or wearing of items that would aid in the swimmer's speed and/or buoyancy. The technical suits and styles had evolved to a point where there was little, if any, compliance with these basic rules."
Oakes added that the rule "will help guarantee fairness in competition."
According to Bruce Howard, spokesman for the national federation, state associations "in the strictest sense," don't have to follow the national rules, but they generally do. Howard said he believes that "because of the significance and nature of this rule" all the states will follow it.
Club teams such as Marsh's generally work with top high school athletes as well as Olympic-caliber swimmers. He said that puts him in a tricky position.
"Dialing back the rules in my purist sense is probably a good thing," he said. "In my efforts to coach elite swimmers, those guys are having fun in those suits."
from www.usatoday.com/.../2009-08-11-advanced-suits-ban_N.htm
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Will there be more whinning?
If there is, we will let you do it...you are good at whinning.
As for things more important, I think I agree with Seth on his thinking. I will probably start using jammers again pretty quickly.
All other innovations had a reasonable primary purpose other than purely to make people faster.
Problem--Solution
Problem--Swimming causes wake and makes the water choppy. This is no fun. Solution--Deeper pools, better gutter design and better lane lines. Fringe Benefit--People swim faster, but this seems legit.
Problem--Chlorine hurts people's eyes and underwater is very blurry. Solution--Goggles. Fringe Benefit--people can swim faster because they can see where they are going, but this seems legit.
Problem--I love my hair but it gets in my eyes and definitely causes drag. I can shave my head, but that sucks. Solution--Caps. Fringe Benefit--People swim faster, but fair enough. They could have accomplished this by shaving their heads and that seems lame.
Problem--Diving off the side of the pool is awkward. There's nowhere to grip, etc. Solution--Starting blocks. Fringe Benefit--Makes people faster, but seems legit. By the way, the fact that swimming races start from a dive is SO ingrained in the history of the sport at this point as to be unassailable. Sure, we could start races from in the water, but that debate needed to happen in the 1800s or very early 1900s.
Problem--I just want to swim faster than I otherwise could. Solution--Jaked, Arena X-Glied, Blue Seventy, Speedo LZR, etc. Fringe Benefit--Makes swimsuit companies richer and swimmers poorer. Seems illegitimate to many.
your whole problem--solution model is completely skewed. for instance, the first problem should read:
Problem--Swimming causes wake and makes the water choppy. This is makes swimming faster difficult. Solution--Deeper pools, better gutter design and better lane lines. Fringe Benefit--there is no fringe benefit. lane lines were created to help swimmers swim faster. period.
as was stated elsewhere, equilibrium would be reestablished given some time. in my opinion, FINA should have just drawn a line in the sand where we are at now (or maybe they should have when speedo released the LZR) by allowing all the suits currently in existence, or limiting the amount on non textile material in the suits.
people who spout these comparisons about how "oh it would be like letting everyone wear fins or hand paddles" accomplish little more than those who try to compare this situation to other sports. all you need to do is look at the history of the sport to see that technological advances have been generally accepted without much gripe. it just so happens suits were the final frontier of advancement in this sport.
Darn it!!! Looks like the Tech Suit Bashers Club Of America (TSBCA) has scored yet another victory!!! :bliss:
Boy, we're really on a roll!!! :bouncing:
Dolphin 2
This reminds me of the hour record in track cycling. There were a lot of people coming from left field with bike designs and different aerodynamic seating. The record was changing hands right and left. The UCI finally stepped in and broke the record into three divisions. I don't know if that's the answer, but reading through all the posts, its obvious there is a divide within the masters community regarding the use of tech suits. I have one opinion. Others have their opinion. I guess thats why almost all the threads end up on the tech suit issue. Guess I should have just kept lurking and not opened my big mouth.:blah:
I initially decided not get these tech suits until or if I was at Lifetime PBs(in Yards). Now, they might be gone and I saved a couple hundred bucks in the process. Yeah, me.
:I'm slightly tempted not to wear it as the times done will be unrealistic standards in the future.
This is exactly why I have not purchased and worn one of the newer model high tech suits. I don't want to set a standard for myself that I cannot reach in the future.
Mind as well race naked now. I mean, it's only fair.
You'll really be able to tell the athletic ability of boy/girl then.
Plus, I'm sure it'd bring more attention to the sport as well :)
Spray on suits are in the future !:D
Actually back in the 70s and 80s, there was a spray on water softener for use as a swimming aid called "Time Off" and it was simply a concentrated surfactant like that used in shampoo.
A surfactant breaks the surface tension so that water flows more smoothly and swimmers would shampoo with the stuff or put a huge blob on their hair under their cap. Once in the water, the surfactant was released and dispersed into the water around the swimmer's body.
However when FINA got wind of the trick, they classified Time Off (or any other personally applied surfactant) as a banned substance.
I've personally tested common surfactants for their effectiveness in reducing water friction by adding a measured quantity to a whirlpool tub and measuring the current of the pump motor. Two tablespoons in 25 gallons of water will reduce the motor current by about 20%.
If "mechanically aided" swimming is now going to be accepted, "virtual tech suits" made from applied surfactants are definitely something to consider. Imagine no more hassle of putting on a tight Blue 70 or an LZR!!! :agree:
Dolphin 2
Actually back in the 70s and 80s, there was a spray on water softener for use as a swimming aid called "Time Off" and it was simply a concentrated surfactant like that used in shampoo.
A surfactant breaks the surface tension so that water flows more smoothly and swimmers would shampoo with the stuff or put a huge blob on their hair under their cap. Once in the water, the surfactant was released and dispersed into the water around the swimmer's body.
However when FINA got wind of the trick, they classified Time Off (or any other personally applied surfactant) as a banned substance.
I've personally tested common surfactants for their effectiveness in reducing water friction by adding a measured quantity to a whirlpool tub and measuring the current of the pump motor. Two tablespoons in 25 gallons of water will reduce the motor current by about 20%.
If "mechanically aided" swimming is now going to be accepted, "virtual tech suits" made from applied surfactants are definitely something to consider. Imagine no more hassle of putting on a tight Blue 70 or an LZR!!! :agree:
Dolphin 2
Could be the damn heat (we have had 58 days of 100 degree weather here), but I actually thought this was an interesting post.
I like the idea of a virtual tech suit. The manufacturers could even keep the same names.
