OK, supposing the FINA dosn't change their ruling again, can someone explain down to the suit name what will be allowed for men and women. I am under the impression that we are going back to the FSII style suit fabircs and the Tyr tracer light type suits. For both men and women we can still wear the full body type suit.
True or not true??
Simple...if FINA doesn't say definitly for masters, everyone on the men's side can wear either traditional briefs or jammers. FS Pro style jammers and before. No lzr jammers.
So if FINA says the rule doesn'tapply to Masters - we are still only allowed to use Jammers & briefs for men? Will the FS-Pro stay alive? Isn't it coated to repel water? This is so frustrating. I was going to get an FS-Pro legskin, but that's out from almost everyone's guidlines - and if I'm putting down $100 I don't want to buy a suit that I can't use beyond this December. Maybe I'll stick with the aquablades I have, or perhaps I'll go with an FSII at this point.
UNless you are going for a record or personal best under current conditions (such as they are), I would refrain from buying a newer suit until after the complete picture is in place. Otherwise, you may be able to wear something in Masters that USS or Fina would disallow.
In the near term, alot depends on if you swim outside the Masters venue.
If FINA's rules apply to masters, I believe men will be back in FS PRO jammers.
the B70's Xglide, & jaked have fabric too, it's just covered with a stretchy rubbery compound.
I think masters are in a wait and see mode
Here's what FINA has decided PR59 - FINA BUREAU MEETING
The FINA Bureau met today in Rome (ITA) and approved the final list of FINA Commissions and Committees for the period 2009-2013. For each of the technical committees of the five FINA aquatic disciplines, the number of members was increased from 12 to 15. This new composition is aimed at supporting the development of FINA sports in the five continents and is due to the improvement of the number of affiliated FINA National Federations worldwide, which is actually of 201.
These new technical committees will meet before the end of the year to establish their four- year plan of activities, to be presented at the next FINA Bureau meeting on January 15-16, 2010 in Bangkok (THA).
Moreover, the Bureau reconfirmed its position in relation with the requirements for swimwear approval, reinforcing the decision of the Congress on July 24, 2009. These rules include the following conditions for swimwear approval:
Surface covered: Men swimsuit shall not extend above the navel nor below the knee and for women shall not cover the neck or extend past the shoulders nor shall extend below the knee.
Type of material: The material used for swimsuits can be only "Textile Fabric(s)" defined for the purpose of these rules as material consisting of, natural and/or synthetic, individual and non consolidated yarns used to constitute a fabric by weaving, knitting, and/or braiding.
Surface treatment of the textile fabric: Any material added on to the surface of the textile fabric (e.g. coating, printing, impregnation) shall not close the original open mesh structure of the base textile fabric. The treated material shall further comply with all requirements in particular in regard to thickness, permeability and flexibility. This part of the rule does not apply to logos and labels. This applies to both the manufacturing level and the actual use of the swimsuit.
Flexibility: the material shall be flexible and soft-folding.
Regular flat material: The material shall be regular and flat. The material shall not form outstanding shapes or structures, such as scales.
Outside application: No outside application shall be added on the material.
Variety of materials: Different materials may be used in one swimsuit provided they are textile fabrics as defined above and they comply with all other criteria including notably thickness and permeability (measures to apply to total layers). Combination of materials shall further not create outstanding shape(s) or structure(s). Layered materials must be completely attached/bound/stuck together except where required to protect sensitive parts ("privacy layers").
Thickness: The material used shall have a maximum thickness of 0.8mm. It is clarified that this maximum thickness does not apply to seams as far as they are functional and their thickness and width result from their natural function.
Buoyancy: The swimsuit shall not have a buoyancy effect above 0.5 Newton measured after application of vacuum.
Permeability: Material(s) used must have at any point a permeability value of more than 80 l/m2/second. Permeability values are measured on material with a standard multidirectional stretch of 25 %. However, measure on material which cannot be significantly stretched will be effected on unstreched flattened material.
Construction: No zippers or other fastening system is allowed. Seams shall be limited to functional systems and shall not create outside shapes.
External stimulation or influence: Swimsuits which include any system providing external stimulation or influence of any type, including pain reduction, chemical/medical substance release, electro-stimulation etc. are prohibited.
Consistency: Swimsuits effectively manufactured and used shall correspond to and be fully consistent with submitted samples. Any modification before use (including impregnation) is prohibited.
Customisation: There shall be no variation/modification for individual swimmers from the models corresponding to the samples submitted for approval.
The new requirements for swimwear approval will be enforced from January 1, 2010. The list of approved swimsuits by FINA Executive on June 19, 2009 and published on the FINA website, is valid until December 31, 2009.
Approval of swimwear in the future will be done at least 12 months before the next FINA World Championships (50m) or Olympic Games. Moreover, the manufacturers will have the responsibility of making those models available on the market (available on sale to Federations and competitors) at least six months prior to the next coming FINA World Championships or Olympic Games.
As announced by FINA President Dr Julio Maglione, the Bureau appointed a Commission led by Prof. Jan-Anders Manson (from EPFL in Lausanne, SUI) and formed by scientific experts and an athlete’s representative to control the swimwear approval process and to monitor the development of the swimsuit industry based on the rules established by the FINA Bureau and the measurable scientific tests on buoyancy and permeability.
I think to be fair to vendors, the ban on the masters level should be much slower. Like 2011 or even 2012. We can be the last market palce for these suits!
I feel a little sorry for them...but I don't think it is our job to worry about the vendors. They'll be fine.
So if FINA says the rule doesn't apply to Masters - we are still only allowed to use Jammers & briefs for men? Will the FS-Pro stay alive? Isn't it coated to repel water? This is so frustrating. I was going to get an FS-Pro legskin, but that's out from almost everyone's guidlines - and if I'm putting down $100 I don't want to buy a suit that I can't use beyond this December. Maybe I'll stick with the aquablades I have, or perhaps I'll go with an FSII at this point.
If FINA says the tech suit ruling do not apply to masters, then we can wear any of the suits out there.
If they DO apply the ruling, I would be the fs pro jammer will be legal. I haven't heard of any coatings on it.
Well overall, I think that the men's suits not being allowed to go below the knee is taking it way back to the dark ages. I agree with the tech suits to a point, which is why FINA is in place to regulate the sport. That being said, they did a very bad job and it has hurt our sport. Going back to just briefs or jammers is not the ideal ruling, to me this was a political statment becasue of the negative press and the backlash that FINA was taking so they just in a stike of the pen eliminated the problem....they just do not, as any political organization, know how to manage or lead.
Now that that is off my chest, I plan on buying a jaked or B70 suit off of ebay to use in masters meets till at least December. I used the Tyr rise in zones and loved it. Mostly for me it was a psychological boost.
Remember it was the U.S.A. swimming community that submitted the suit proposal to FINA to limit the men's suit to briefs or jammers. I find it very ironic that members of the USA masters community would suggest or recommend that masters not follow the FINA suit policy.
