I searched and couldn't find this posted, but I could have missed it.
Anyways, its pretty interesting because the official basically says Cavic touched first, but didn't "push" and slid, while Phelps pushed with force, etc etc. (He talks about this right at halfway through the video)
www.swimchampions.com/.../
Personally I think you have to live with however the time system works as long as it is functional. If it was functional and Cavic didn't press hard enough, its tough luck.
The only alternative is to just present a "tie" when you are within the margin of error of the equipment.
joakimvitriol,
You are right. Your articulate and lucid explanation of the facts has finally sunk in. Your mastery of persuation through written English has so overwhelmed me, I need not be shown any further photo evidence and certainly don't need any links to outside references.
It's clear to me now there was an outrageous cover up of the obvious facts. From this point on, I will tirelessly look to convince others who think Phelps touched first.
Thanks again.
I don't care who touched first. Who tripped the timing device first? If you are going to touch it like a baby, you don't deserve to win.
if you dont care ok ,but a judge on this mach if knowing rules are might be, the name of the sport is swimming,not boxing,not wrestling....it is all about race,and the winer is the one who came on finish first....and in this race that man is cavic
Dude, your so-called evidence was debunked in about ten seconds. Maybe you should just give it up.
dude,this is not my evidence,this is just opinion the official sponsor of phelps -omega......what are you dont understand about it
dude,this is not my evidence,this is just opinion the official sponsor of phelps -omega......what are you dont understand about it
You're incorrect. It's just what one man who works for Omega said. In my opinion the electronic timing and photographic evidence is far, far more compelling and these point to Phelps touching first.
What constitutes clear evidence that the timing system malfunctioned? Does anyone here feel that IF THE TIMES WERE REVERSED, that the photos would have been CLEAR evidence that timing system malfunctioned? (That is, do the photos show clearly enough that Phelps touched first such that if the pads had said Cavic one by 0.01, the timing system should have been overruled.) I think most people would believe it would be evidence, but I think most people may also believe it may not be clear enough.
In the Olympics or the Olympic trials, I felt the images from the TV showed two other relative finishes that should have been called differently. I would have to go back and review the races to try to find them. But, if we saw a pattern of questionable calls, how would that affect your confidence of the timing system? (I'm not sure I was right in my impression, but I felt one was pretty clear while the other could have been a Phelps-Cavic type finish.)
Most races are not decided by the 100th of a second where you can see both pads at the same time. It is rare to get a race in which you could distinguish a small difference between one pad and another. 99.99% of the time, one pad *could* measure 0.02 seconds slower than another and we'd never notice. (It seems unlikely that this would be the case, but then I don't know the design well enough.)
Does each touch pad undergo a test before each big meet to make sure it is functioning properly and promptly responds to the right pressure, across many points across its surface? I assume pads eventually fail. How often do pads fail such tests?
I'll also point out that with perfect equipment, Phelps could have triggered the pad anywhere from less than 0.001 to more than 0.019 before Cavic and yet have a time recorded as 0.01 seconds faster. Conceivably, if both swimmers were each 0.001 seconds faster (or slower), they would have registered the same time (ie, a tie) or the difference might have registered as 0.02. It all depends upon whether the 0.01 tick (or two) comes between their touches or not.
There was no evidence of a Fukuoka-style large scale system irregularity in Beijing, and I suspect after that fiasco that FINA does have some very solid protocols in place to ensure the integrity of the system.
No we are all not blind - I would check the order on those in photo bucket as it would be easy to take the pictures out of order and show a different result, because the SI photos and other sources show a much different picture - while extremely close. First the SI photos show Phelps on the left and Cavic on the right also the sequence is odd in the photo bucket and its Phelps, not Felps. Plus Phelps wore a black cap, in the photobucket he appears to be wearing a white cap.
if you are not blind then you shourly have ear problem,omega(the official sponsor of phelps) says cavic touched first
