Omega says Cavic touched first

Yes, the winner is determined by a machine, which is much more accurate, than human.This is the way it should be. But the idea behind is that the machine never fails... The Olympic Winner should be the one who wins, and in this case who finishes the distance first - it was Cavic. Who said machines never fail? I work in Information Technology, things fail all the time. Then point to clear proof that he touched first. Because there seems to be a lot more proof/analysis for the other conclusion. And without clear proof then the results from electronic timing stand. And as I pointed out, unless there was clear evidence of a malfunction the results must be accepted as accurate. I did clearly point out that the operation of all timing must be the same for all competitors. "then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad." "In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first. " I hope you don't belive in those two sentences. Because they are simply not true. It should be the other way around. Your name is shown at the top of the display, because you were the fastest, and not because you pused hard enough the pad. Cause-effect. Until the Men's 100 Butterfly Beijing 2008 everybody thought that the system is flawless... They thought 'if someone touches the wall first they will be named first in the race.' How about you quote the ENTIRE thought instead of just a fragment. "The current generation of touch pads require a specific force level to be triggered. If it's the same for everyone (i.e all the pads are operating in identical manner) then the finish requirements are the same. Since the race is decided by times derived from the pads, then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad." No, actually in the context of races using touch pads, I beleive what I said. Is it the absolutely most accurate way of determining finish order? I don't know but I'm confident it's the best method currently possible. And every competitor KNOWS that they have to apply pressure to the pads to have them register. It's not like it's a complete surprise to any of them. No actually, the winner is the one who completes the finish requirements of the race first. As I pointed out in Olympic Swimming, the requirements, since touch pads are the timing system used, mean that the swimmer who triggers the pads (from a pure timing aspect, outside of any stroke legality) first wins. In our summer league, it's the middle time of three watches. Puts way too much power in the timers hands as I have many times witnessed a finish were the 2nd place swimmers touches the wall first but the watch times (which have a margin of error of +/- .2 seconds) didn't agree. Let's exaggerate a little bit. What if the system brakes down so much,that even though the winner wins by - let's say - 2 seconds, yet his toch pad does not trigger somehow, but it does for the guy behind? You still tell for your swimmers that the second guy is the winner?? I hope not... You must not work meets with electronic timing because this does happen, when the electronic timing system has been determined to have been faulty (you seem to have missed the point about the timing system must be functioning correctly for all swimmers in my post) or the swimmer has missed the pad, then either an adjustment of the electronic timing shall be made or the backup timing system time shall be used as the official time. For most USA-s meets using electronic timing, the secondary timing is the manual buttons for the electronic timing and the backup to that are hand held watches. For the Olympics if the timing system was determined to have malfunctioned (NOT the case in the 100 Fly final), they would determine times using the high speed cameras. If you don't like the current system, then I suggest you invent one that's better.

Yes, the winner is determined by a machine, which is much more accurate, than human.This is the way it should be. But the idea behind is that the machine never fails... The Olympic Winner should be the one who wins, and in this case who finishes the distance first - it was Cavic. Who said machines never fail? I work in Information Technology, things fail all the time. Then point to clear proof that he touched first. Because there seems to be a lot more proof/analysis for the other conclusion. And without clear proof then the results from electronic timing stand. And as I pointed out, unless there was clear evidence of a malfunction the results must be accepted as accurate. I did clearly point out that the operation of all timing must be the same for all competitors. "then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad." "In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first. " I hope you don't belive in those two sentences. Because they are simply not true. It should be the other way around. Your name is shown at the top of the display, because you were the fastest, and not because you pused hard enough the pad. Cause-effect. Until the Men's 100 Butterfly Beijing 2008 everybody thought that the system is flawless... They thought 'if someone touches the wall first they will be named first in the race.' How about you quote the ENTIRE thought instead of just a fragment. "The current generation of touch pads require a specific force level to be triggered. If it's the same for everyone (i.e all the pads are operating in identical manner) then the finish requirements are the same. Since the race is decided by times derived from the pads, then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad." No, actually in the context of races using touch pads, I beleive what I said. Is it the absolutely most accurate way of determining finish order? I don't know but I'm confident it's the best method currently possible. And every competitor KNOWS that they have to apply pressure to the pads to have them register. It's not like it's a complete surprise to any of them. No actually, the winner is the one who completes the finish requirements of the race first. As I pointed out in Olympic Swimming, the requirements, since touch pads are the timing system used, mean that the swimmer who triggers the pads (from a pure timing aspect, outside of any stroke legality) first wins. In our summer league, it's the middle time of three watches. Puts way too much power in the timers hands as I have many times witnessed a finish were the 2nd place swimmers touches the wall first but the watch times (which have a margin of error of +/- .2 seconds) didn't agree. Let's exaggerate a little bit. What if the system brakes down so much,that even though the winner wins by - let's say - 2 seconds, yet his toch pad does not trigger somehow, but it does for the guy behind? You still tell for your swimmers that the second guy is the winner?? I hope not... You must not work meets with electronic timing because this does happen, when the electronic timing system has been determined to have been faulty (you seem to have missed the point about the timing system must be functioning correctly for all swimmers in my post) or the swimmer has missed the pad, then either an adjustment of the electronic timing shall be made or the backup timing system time shall be used as the official time. For most USA-s meets using electronic timing, the secondary timing is the manual buttons for the electronic timing and the backup to that are hand held watches. For the Olympics if the timing system was determined to have malfunctioned (NOT the case in the 100 Fly final), they would determine times using the high speed cameras. If you don't like the current system, then I suggest you invent one that's better.