I searched and couldn't find this posted, but I could have missed it.
Anyways, its pretty interesting because the official basically says Cavic touched first, but didn't "push" and slid, while Phelps pushed with force, etc etc. (He talks about this right at halfway through the video)
www.swimchampions.com/.../
Personally I think you have to live with however the time system works as long as it is functional. If it was functional and Cavic didn't press hard enough, its tough luck.
The only alternative is to just present a "tie" when you are within the margin of error of the equipment.
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No it doesn't. It just means his hands were moving forward slower than Phelps' were.
I base my argument that Phelps won on three major facts:
1. The pad recorded his touch .01 second before Cavic.
2. The photo series published by SI shows Phelps clearly touching the wall while Cavic appears not to be yet. Some people disagree and suggest Cavic is also touching in this photo. If so--at best--this is only evidence of a tie, not a victory for Cavic.
3. Serbia protested, but withdrew their protest after seeing the official video.
I dont want to keep stirring it up, but there are easy respsoses to each of these:
1) No one is doubting that Phelps activated the pad first. The entire dispute is wether the pad functioned correctly when *some* believe the photos/video show Cavic touching first.
2) I dont think anyone can conclusively say anything from the photos on either side. The cameras aren't close enough and they appear one way to some people and another way to others. No one produces a photo that convinces everyone.
3) The omega official states that everyone who saw the video agreed that Cavic touched first, but were satisfied that he didn't push it hard enough to activate it first. He claims they withdrew protests not because they believed Phelps touched first, but because he activated the pad first and thus there was no other legal result possible.
The bottom line is Phelps is the legal winner and you can debate the true winner forever until someone produces proof that convinces EVERYONE who sees it. The only other standard fans can use right now is performance in subsequent races.
No it doesn't. It just means his hands were moving forward slower than Phelps' were.
I base my argument that Phelps won on three major facts:
1. The pad recorded his touch .01 second before Cavic.
2. The photo series published by SI shows Phelps clearly touching the wall while Cavic appears not to be yet. Some people disagree and suggest Cavic is also touching in this photo. If so--at best--this is only evidence of a tie, not a victory for Cavic.
3. Serbia protested, but withdrew their protest after seeing the official video.
I dont want to keep stirring it up, but there are easy respsoses to each of these:
1) No one is doubting that Phelps activated the pad first. The entire dispute is wether the pad functioned correctly when *some* believe the photos/video show Cavic touching first.
2) I dont think anyone can conclusively say anything from the photos on either side. The cameras aren't close enough and they appear one way to some people and another way to others. No one produces a photo that convinces everyone.
3) The omega official states that everyone who saw the video agreed that Cavic touched first, but were satisfied that he didn't push it hard enough to activate it first. He claims they withdrew protests not because they believed Phelps touched first, but because he activated the pad first and thus there was no other legal result possible.
The bottom line is Phelps is the legal winner and you can debate the true winner forever until someone produces proof that convinces EVERYONE who sees it. The only other standard fans can use right now is performance in subsequent races.
