I searched and couldn't find this posted, but I could have missed it.
Anyways, its pretty interesting because the official basically says Cavic touched first, but didn't "push" and slid, while Phelps pushed with force, etc etc. (He talks about this right at halfway through the video)
www.swimchampions.com/.../
Personally I think you have to live with however the time system works as long as it is functional. If it was functional and Cavic didn't press hard enough, its tough luck.
The only alternative is to just present a "tie" when you are within the margin of error of the equipment.
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I'm with Ande on this one. The current generation of touch pads require a specific force level to be triggered. If it's the same for everyone (i.e all the pads are operating in identical manner) then the finish requirements are the same. Since the race is decided by times derived from the pads, then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad.
A lot of discussion has occurred around the concept that Cavic's fingers contacted the wall first. Looking at all the photos and slow speed footage, I have absolutely no trouble believing that Cavic's fingers were in contact with the wall first.
But to quote Bill Murray: It just doesn't matter!!!!
In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first.
Even my 8 yo swimmers know to drive into the touch pad hard.
Get over it, so you touched the wall first? Other than you and your coach, who really cares, you didn't finish hard so you came up .01 seconds short.
And had ANOTHER chance to prove you were faster and didn't get it done.
Let it go, just let it go.
Yes, the winner is determined by a machine, which is much more accurate, than human.This is the way it should be.
But the idea behind is that the machine never fails...
The Olympic Winner should be the one who wins, and in this case who finishes the distance first - it was Cavic.
"then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad."
"In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first. "
I hope you don't belive in those two sentences. Because they are simply not true.
It should be the other way around. Your name is shown at the top of the display, because you were the fastest, and not because you pused hard enough the pad. Cause-effect.
Until the Men's 100 Butterfly Beijing 2008 everybody thought that the system is flawless...
They thought 'if someone touches the wall first they will be named first in the race.'
Let's exaggerate a little bit. What if the system brakes down so much,that even though the winner wins by - let's say - 2 seconds, yet his toch pad does not trigger somehow, but it does for the guy behind? You still tell for your swimmers that the second guy is the winner?? I hope not...
I'm with Ande on this one. The current generation of touch pads require a specific force level to be triggered. If it's the same for everyone (i.e all the pads are operating in identical manner) then the finish requirements are the same. Since the race is decided by times derived from the pads, then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad.
A lot of discussion has occurred around the concept that Cavic's fingers contacted the wall first. Looking at all the photos and slow speed footage, I have absolutely no trouble believing that Cavic's fingers were in contact with the wall first.
But to quote Bill Murray: It just doesn't matter!!!!
In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first.
Even my 8 yo swimmers know to drive into the touch pad hard.
Get over it, so you touched the wall first? Other than you and your coach, who really cares, you didn't finish hard so you came up .01 seconds short.
And had ANOTHER chance to prove you were faster and didn't get it done.
Let it go, just let it go.
Yes, the winner is determined by a machine, which is much more accurate, than human.This is the way it should be.
But the idea behind is that the machine never fails...
The Olympic Winner should be the one who wins, and in this case who finishes the distance first - it was Cavic.
"then it doesn't matter when someone touches the wall, it matters when they trigger the pad."
"In Olympic Swimming the winner is determined by the swimmer who triggers the electronic timing system first NOT who touches the wall first. "
I hope you don't belive in those two sentences. Because they are simply not true.
It should be the other way around. Your name is shown at the top of the display, because you were the fastest, and not because you pused hard enough the pad. Cause-effect.
Until the Men's 100 Butterfly Beijing 2008 everybody thought that the system is flawless...
They thought 'if someone touches the wall first they will be named first in the race.'
Let's exaggerate a little bit. What if the system brakes down so much,that even though the winner wins by - let's say - 2 seconds, yet his toch pad does not trigger somehow, but it does for the guy behind? You still tell for your swimmers that the second guy is the winner?? I hope not...
