So a lady friend of mine and I were discussing Masters training yesterday, specifically the art of sharing a lane with a mixture of like-minded people not necessarily doing the same work-out (ie: public swimming). Right now all of us are in the same boat; the local indoor Olympic-standard pool has been closed for bi-annual maintenance and we are all having to share a wierd old 50-yard outdoor pool which has long-course lap swimming for only a four hour window each day. Most everyone knows everybody by now, so we are all getting along pretty well. With the exception of the triathletes.
So, without trying to poke a sleeping bear with a stick, why is it that tri-athletes cannot seem to get along with competitive swimmers in the training pool? Here are my observations of the group we have here, though they might not be typical examples:
1) Holy smoke are these guys serious about talking about serious training. Note how I worded that. They talk the talk a lot, ignore anything us competitive swimmers might have to say on the subject of training swimming, and generally clog up the end of the pool as they talk. and talk. and talk. Despite the fact they all sport the same middle-aged paunches, they just cannot conceptualize that they are not truly elite athletes and they do not get to set the rules of the pool.
2) They hog the lane. If these guys can drive, how come they cannot figure out circle swimming? It seems to me a pretty simple concept that you stay on your side of that black line on the pool bottom going one way, and then circle to the other side of the line on the way back. That darn line was not painted on the bottom of the pool just so you can swim straight.
3) Circle swimming and trying to mesh the circle swimming of several lanes is just a foreign concept to most of them. It just seems proper that if lane one is circling clockwise, lane two should circle counter-clockwise so you don't bash you freaking arms across the lane lines. The tria-athletes seem to always circle the absolutely wrong way, and with those wide-ass strokes they all seem to use, it is almost inevitable that you will clash. Thankfully most ex-competitive swimmer have developed that 6th sense that tells you to duck when you are about to be smashed (you all know that 6th sense: its called watching where you are going, another apparently foreign concept. Goggles are obviously used for finding floaters at the bottom of the pool rather than looking ahead periodically)
4) Interval training. Tri-athletes seem to believe that is a innovative, modern concept that needs far more study (usually done while they have deep discussions at the end of the pool) before they actually implement it. Serious tri-athletes just know that swimming the same 1000 meter swim with no set pace every single session is a clear formula for winning the next Iron-man. The tri-athletes seem to resent the breaking up of swim sets into reps on intervals, especially if it done by some pathetic competitive swimmer that keeps on passing them while they grind out that standard 1000.
5) Finally, my greatest irritation: X marks the spot!! When you sit at the end of the pool, discussing deeply distressing new concepts such as interval training, circle swimming, and high elbow recovery on the front crawl, why must you sit right in the center of the lane. Did it ever occur to you that the center of the lane has a big cross painted on it and generally Xs and crosses designate landing zones. Of course I know that you rarely use flip turns, but some of us poor simple-minded swimmers do and, from force of habit and in the interest of not smashing into the person behind us, we usually flip-turn on the X. We also tend to come in on one side of the line (that line on the bottom of the pool, put there presumably for some swimmers to find their way back to the discussion at the end of the pool) and leave on the other side. Its called circle swimming.
Is there some shortage of information on swim training for tri-athletes? I know that there are all sorts of magazines and books about triathalon; do they all ignore the fact that to succeed at swimming you actually have to follow some sort of structured training program? Do they even touch base on simple pool training etiquette?
I used to think that it was just my cross-eyed cussed and curmugeonly ways that found the local tri-athletes to be slightly slow and backward with regards to training-pool etiquette, but my lady-friend was far more cynical than I: she was pretty sure that the tri-athletes purposefully are difficult as part of a competitive strategy.
They can dish it out too...
Lets Stereotype!! Runners, Cyclists, and Swimmers ...
forum.slowtwitch.com/.../Lets_Stereotype!!___Runners,_Cyclists,_and_Swimmers_P1172080
FWIW I swim with some fast triathletes who are really great guys. But it is fun to poke fun at them.:duel:
That was a pretty good thread! I particularly liked:
Masters coach: "If you get to wear a wetsuit for the swim, I get to wear Rollerblades for the run."
:rofl:
The most irritating one so far: the guy that boasted to me that he could almost keep up with me on the 50 meters, but he thought that the wet suit probably was helping him somewhat (do you think?). That does beg the question as to why he was wearing a wet suit in a heated pool in the middle of winter and why he thought that a fifty sprint would compare to a 400 meter interval pace.
We like to take a few swims in our wetsuits the week before a race to get comfortable with it. If it was winter he probably had a race in Latin America or Australia - a lot of triathletes will have a winter race in a tropical location that sort of doubles as their vacation.
I also don't understand the griping about us and doing only freestyle. Why would we do anything else? We are, after all, not swimmers. We're triathletes - triathlon swimming is more about surviving the swim and expending as little energy as possible doing so. Very very few of the top pro triathletes came from swimming backgrounds (Andy Potts is a bug exception). Overall, as a sport triathlon puts strong swimmers at a comparative disadvantage since you only spend about 15% of the race or less in the water.
I can see why some more elitist swimmers may have a beef with triathletes, but, come on, get over yourselves! A lot of fast triathletes have a problem with all the beginners doing triathlon these days. They need to get over themselves as well.
I'm sure there is some running or biking forum out there where snobby bikers and runners complain about swimmers who join them.
Two things that you know a lot about in life....complaining and being snobby
I'm a reformed triathlete now doing almost all open water swims. I'm the butt of many jokes on my team whenever an IM set comes up. What I've told my teammates is that as soon as they can swim over 5 miles straight free in open water, I'll do so slammin' 100 IMs. So far, not one has taken me up on the challenge...
In general the Tri's in our pool are ok - they share their lane, and stay out of the way, don't stop to chat too often, they do a lot of ladder swims - but we are usually two to a lane, so no harm no foul.
There are a couple that boggle the mind though - one loves to run on an on about what he's doing, how fast he's going, where he's competing, and then why thing didn't go as planned (broken bike, rain, goggles filled up,Mars and Jupiter collided, etc).
And then there is "Wetsuit Willy" - bless him and I'm glad he's at least doing something, but.... comes in, in his full B70 wetsuit (the compression isn't that good - picture balloon being squeezed at one end), thrashes on for about 300 yards, middle of the lane or zig zag, then just sits at the end of the lane for a good 10 minutes catching his breath, and then gets out. This generally happens when I'm doing a set of IMs or fly set (hard enough without the added obstacles). Now, I'm generally the only one in the pool doing a workout, printed on a card, visable with all my stuff at the end of the lane, and everyother lane can have a single swimmer/noodler in it, but I always get that guy.
Other than that everyone gets along pretty nicely.
My experience with triathletes in the pool -- and certainly wrt pool etiquette -- has been positive. Some of them obssess about their sport (as do some swimmers I know), many do not. None of the ones I have observed had any issue with interval training; indeed they are usually familiar with the concept through track and cycling.
Sure, the majority of them are mostly concerned with distance freestyle. Why shouldn't they be? That's what is most relevant to their discipline (though most triathletes underestimate the value of being able to sprint in the water). It only becomes an issue if it is disruptive to practice, or if the triathletes dominate the team and the coaches cater only to them.
For our purposes there are two types of triathletes: those who have a background in competitive swimming and those who do not and are trying to learn the sport as an adult. For the latter group, I have come to realize from conversations with triathletes that swim practice can be an intimidating experience. Particularly at first, when most of the people around you have grown up in the sport. There are many terms and practices that will be unfamiliar.
As far as swimmers displaying an "elitist" attitude: I would agree that we should try to be pretty understanding, and most masters teams I have experienced have been very welcoming to newbies. But I have also seen the same attitude from cyclists and triathletes when a new person tries to join the group. And often for much the same reason: a person who doesn't know what they are doing can disrupt the training of the others and can even pose a danger. (The risk of injury is generally greater in cycling, but no one likes collisions in the water either.)
i use the lane line for that
12 x 100's on 1:25 means that number 12 is when you leave on the :35. Swimming on :45 then number 12 is the 3 time you get to 15. If you are swimming a 1,000 checking the clock is easier than moving any kind of counting devise, plus it is invaluable to know your pacing.
I find it cowardly that you blame your "lady- friend" for all of your elitist comments instead of conversing with the swimmers you are referring to. I am a swimmer that enjoys triathlons and find your attempt to seperate yourself as some sort of purist as offensive. I dont know what the Triathletes were thinking, I can see what a huge turnoff your program would be!