The Suits can stay -- but swimmers must decide !

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I think we can all be certain that the suits are here to stay -- love them, hate them, it does not really matter -- Speedo, TYR and the others will not allow the suits to all over sudden disappear. But, we as Masters swimmers have to make a decision about our own reasoning to compete -- why do we compete in swim meets ? There are many reasons - social, participating in a sport beats the hell out of watching one on TV and so on --- but for me, 2 of the main reasons are the competition aspects. We obviously compete against other swimmers --- but more than maybe many other sports, we compete against ourselves. I can tell you my best 100 Free from every season over the last 30 years (10 of which I did not compete). I have used most of the suits and did very well -- I set some personal bests and also achieved some record swims, but I have no idea how my times really compare to other seasons. I can keep telling myself that all that speedwork and lifting paid off - but I just don't know. I like to give a golf comparison -- let's say you have a home course and you always shoot in the low 90s going from the Blue Tees --- well guess what, if you are going from the white tees you will probably average high 80s and going from the red you may get down to the mid to low 80s. But you are not a better player because of it. The LZR seems to be the "white tees" and the new Jaked suit may be the "red tees". I think we really have to make a decision now to what matters more -- your personal records and history of swimming or the competition against other swimmers ? For me, this may change from meet to meet - but I must be able to stay honest with myself and be able to compare my times -- I do not want to be cheating myself. Old generations suits (Fastskin Pro) only for: all major Masters meets (individual swims) except for Worlds. That means, I am ok to lose a few places in a meet, in order to know what my time really means. I could just go really old school -- but I think the older generation suits are pretty equal to shaving -- and they allow you to be "shaved" and swim fast in season, which is a huge plus. LZR / Blue70 for: relays, Worlds and maybe some USS meets, if I am going for a time standard. I want to give any relay my fastest time possible - I swimming Worlds to win the title, so if others use the suits, I will have to do the same - if I go to USS meets, I may use them to get into the finals or to make a time standard for a big meet. It may take some adjustments - but I think it will work -- Who is with me ?
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  • No, inequitable impact is not a reason to ban the B70 and LZRs. That is just part of sport. There are many inequities built into sport, and there is never a level playing field, as we've discussed. I would say that this is true in the world of masters swimming...in the world of college and Olympic swimming where careers, sponsorhips, recruiting, etc. all come into play there needs to be an attempt of creating a more level playing field when introducing new technologies such as these suits. I think the jury is still out on whether B70s help those with rocket SDKs or help those with poorer SDKs. Paul Smith thinks the former. Chris Stevenson seems to think it doesn't help him that much. Actually what I said is that these suits have some benefit to more elite kickers but not nearly as much as it does for average/non-kickers. I find it odd that anyone would deny this if they have put a suit on and done some testing in workout... In my case wearing a drag suit it will take me about 9 SDK's from a dive (fly/free), with a B70 its closer to 6-7, with a pro about 7-8. Did anyone else hear about some college guys playing around with the B70...tying weights on it to see how much it took to sink it...I think it was 5-6 lbs. Hey...their here...nothing to be done at this point....things will change again...I have no problem following the rules but will look back fondly at some of the swims done in the pre-tech suit era.
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  • No, inequitable impact is not a reason to ban the B70 and LZRs. That is just part of sport. There are many inequities built into sport, and there is never a level playing field, as we've discussed. I would say that this is true in the world of masters swimming...in the world of college and Olympic swimming where careers, sponsorhips, recruiting, etc. all come into play there needs to be an attempt of creating a more level playing field when introducing new technologies such as these suits. I think the jury is still out on whether B70s help those with rocket SDKs or help those with poorer SDKs. Paul Smith thinks the former. Chris Stevenson seems to think it doesn't help him that much. Actually what I said is that these suits have some benefit to more elite kickers but not nearly as much as it does for average/non-kickers. I find it odd that anyone would deny this if they have put a suit on and done some testing in workout... In my case wearing a drag suit it will take me about 9 SDK's from a dive (fly/free), with a B70 its closer to 6-7, with a pro about 7-8. Did anyone else hear about some college guys playing around with the B70...tying weights on it to see how much it took to sink it...I think it was 5-6 lbs. Hey...their here...nothing to be done at this point....things will change again...I have no problem following the rules but will look back fondly at some of the swims done in the pre-tech suit era.
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