The Suits can stay -- but swimmers must decide !

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I think we can all be certain that the suits are here to stay -- love them, hate them, it does not really matter -- Speedo, TYR and the others will not allow the suits to all over sudden disappear. But, we as Masters swimmers have to make a decision about our own reasoning to compete -- why do we compete in swim meets ? There are many reasons - social, participating in a sport beats the hell out of watching one on TV and so on --- but for me, 2 of the main reasons are the competition aspects. We obviously compete against other swimmers --- but more than maybe many other sports, we compete against ourselves. I can tell you my best 100 Free from every season over the last 30 years (10 of which I did not compete). I have used most of the suits and did very well -- I set some personal bests and also achieved some record swims, but I have no idea how my times really compare to other seasons. I can keep telling myself that all that speedwork and lifting paid off - but I just don't know. I like to give a golf comparison -- let's say you have a home course and you always shoot in the low 90s going from the Blue Tees --- well guess what, if you are going from the white tees you will probably average high 80s and going from the red you may get down to the mid to low 80s. But you are not a better player because of it. The LZR seems to be the "white tees" and the new Jaked suit may be the "red tees". I think we really have to make a decision now to what matters more -- your personal records and history of swimming or the competition against other swimmers ? For me, this may change from meet to meet - but I must be able to stay honest with myself and be able to compare my times -- I do not want to be cheating myself. Old generations suits (Fastskin Pro) only for: all major Masters meets (individual swims) except for Worlds. That means, I am ok to lose a few places in a meet, in order to know what my time really means. I could just go really old school -- but I think the older generation suits are pretty equal to shaving -- and they allow you to be "shaved" and swim fast in season, which is a huge plus. LZR / Blue70 for: relays, Worlds and maybe some USS meets, if I am going for a time standard. I want to give any relay my fastest time possible - I swimming Worlds to win the title, so if others use the suits, I will have to do the same - if I go to USS meets, I may use them to get into the finals or to make a time standard for a big meet. It may take some adjustments - but I think it will work -- Who is with me ?
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  • It's an easy target for a reason. What do you think about it? I don't expect the LZR to be banned. Should it be? I don't know. I don't have a problem with suits that give an approximate similar advantage to each swimmer. If there's a sizable difference in how a suit impacts different people I think that's a problem. Past times or records can always be contextualized if necessary. I don't know enough about the Jaked to opine, and have obviously never used it myself. I've never used a new LZR. I have always thought it is an odd result that the B70 will be banned but the LZR would not. From most accounts, the LZR is a faster suit. So the most performance enhancing suit, owned by a monopolist company, will continue to be legal while a slightly less fast one from a fledgling reputable company is banned? And all because the LZR has slightly less impermeable material, especially on top? Some swimmers think that is actually preferable in terms of body position ... I have heard, and feel myself, that the B70 has a slightly different effect for different people. How exactly do you think that manifests itself? Myself, I think times can be contextualized. I don't anticipate sobbing at meets next year, as Ehoch and Jim Thornton have speculated some masters will. I also don't know why you'd have to ... won't there be new versions of B70, LZRs, Pro and other suits? Perhaps more will switch to LZRs for big meets only and use Pros or other tech more frequently? If people typically only care about their times at big taper meets (not me, but many), then I'm not sure there's that much need for disappointment and hand wringing. Paul: I don't know about this talk of bastardized strokes, Paul ... everyone does things differently. No right way to do things! As for the "take it out hard, the suit will get you home," nope, I have not experienced this phenomenon. I still die at the end of a 100 fly just as I always have and my split differential is still the same.
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  • It's an easy target for a reason. What do you think about it? I don't expect the LZR to be banned. Should it be? I don't know. I don't have a problem with suits that give an approximate similar advantage to each swimmer. If there's a sizable difference in how a suit impacts different people I think that's a problem. Past times or records can always be contextualized if necessary. I don't know enough about the Jaked to opine, and have obviously never used it myself. I've never used a new LZR. I have always thought it is an odd result that the B70 will be banned but the LZR would not. From most accounts, the LZR is a faster suit. So the most performance enhancing suit, owned by a monopolist company, will continue to be legal while a slightly less fast one from a fledgling reputable company is banned? And all because the LZR has slightly less impermeable material, especially on top? Some swimmers think that is actually preferable in terms of body position ... I have heard, and feel myself, that the B70 has a slightly different effect for different people. How exactly do you think that manifests itself? Myself, I think times can be contextualized. I don't anticipate sobbing at meets next year, as Ehoch and Jim Thornton have speculated some masters will. I also don't know why you'd have to ... won't there be new versions of B70, LZRs, Pro and other suits? Perhaps more will switch to LZRs for big meets only and use Pros or other tech more frequently? If people typically only care about their times at big taper meets (not me, but many), then I'm not sure there's that much need for disappointment and hand wringing. Paul: I don't know about this talk of bastardized strokes, Paul ... everyone does things differently. No right way to do things! As for the "take it out hard, the suit will get you home," nope, I have not experienced this phenomenon. I still die at the end of a 100 fly just as I always have and my split differential is still the same.
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