Swimming World's top 12 master swimmers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let the debate begin. I have no problem with the 12 selected, but, 6 and 6 is pretty tough to pick and I have great respect for the process they use. I do think they should try to maybe add the top swim of the year,but, what they have to do, at present, is pretty overwhelming. Some of the runner-ups are pretty awesome. Pull up the Swimming World and download the magazine.What a great honor for all these great swimmers EOM
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  • I agreed with Paul last year about Susan, and I agree this year. I recall someone mentioning that she would have had a few other number one rankings (maybe in SCM?) if she had simply done some split requests. Why do Dara's times count as #1 FINA/USMS rankings? Was the Olympic Trials a dual sanctioned meet? Dara times count because she went thru the proper USMS procedures to get the USMS Records and USMS times to count for USMS Top Ten and USMS Records. Because she was in the final 2008 USMS Long Course Top Ten list, she was eligible to be on the FINA World Top Ten list. According to FINA, Susan swims do not exist because she was not in the USMS Long Course Top Ten in any events even though she could have swam many events and had a potential to have more USMS records and top tens. The Olympic Trials is NOT a dual sanctioned event. USMS has absolutely nothing to do with the sanctioning of that event and its ONLY sanctioned by USA Swimming as the Olympic Trial selection meet. Just because USMS Masters swimmers qualify for the event does not mean there times automatically count for USMS Records and Top Ten. You must go thru the pool measurement procedures after every session and you must get the timing equipment back up sheet with the corresponding heat sheet. An "Application for a USMS Record" must be filled out with the Meet Referee's name and signature. This was apparently not done with Susan otherwise we would see at least 2 FINA Number 1 swims. Any Short Course Yard swims or USMS Records from them are not considered in the process for the selection of the top World masters swimmers and only Short Course Meter swims are considered because those swims can be bench marked against the entire world. With all of this, Susan did very well with 5 SCM World Records. However compared to other masters swimmers like Yoshiko Osaki of Japan with 14 World Records (6 LCM, 8 SCM), Laura Val with 20 World Records (9 LCM, 11 SCM), Karlyn Pipes Neilson with 15 World Records (7 LCM, 8 SCM), Hitomi Matsuda of Japan with 8 World Records (3 LCM, 5 SCM) and Jean Whiteley of Australia with 8 World Records (3 LCM, 5 SCM) it would be very difficult to elevate her performances over these others with the process that is used and with no recorded long course performances in 2008 from the tabulations. If Susan would have gone to Portland or some USMS Sanctioned Long Course competitions, I am sure she would have been in there with the others but because that did not happen, the process only awards those performances in masters competitions.
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  • I agreed with Paul last year about Susan, and I agree this year. I recall someone mentioning that she would have had a few other number one rankings (maybe in SCM?) if she had simply done some split requests. Why do Dara's times count as #1 FINA/USMS rankings? Was the Olympic Trials a dual sanctioned meet? Dara times count because she went thru the proper USMS procedures to get the USMS Records and USMS times to count for USMS Top Ten and USMS Records. Because she was in the final 2008 USMS Long Course Top Ten list, she was eligible to be on the FINA World Top Ten list. According to FINA, Susan swims do not exist because she was not in the USMS Long Course Top Ten in any events even though she could have swam many events and had a potential to have more USMS records and top tens. The Olympic Trials is NOT a dual sanctioned event. USMS has absolutely nothing to do with the sanctioning of that event and its ONLY sanctioned by USA Swimming as the Olympic Trial selection meet. Just because USMS Masters swimmers qualify for the event does not mean there times automatically count for USMS Records and Top Ten. You must go thru the pool measurement procedures after every session and you must get the timing equipment back up sheet with the corresponding heat sheet. An "Application for a USMS Record" must be filled out with the Meet Referee's name and signature. This was apparently not done with Susan otherwise we would see at least 2 FINA Number 1 swims. Any Short Course Yard swims or USMS Records from them are not considered in the process for the selection of the top World masters swimmers and only Short Course Meter swims are considered because those swims can be bench marked against the entire world. With all of this, Susan did very well with 5 SCM World Records. However compared to other masters swimmers like Yoshiko Osaki of Japan with 14 World Records (6 LCM, 8 SCM), Laura Val with 20 World Records (9 LCM, 11 SCM), Karlyn Pipes Neilson with 15 World Records (7 LCM, 8 SCM), Hitomi Matsuda of Japan with 8 World Records (3 LCM, 5 SCM) and Jean Whiteley of Australia with 8 World Records (3 LCM, 5 SCM) it would be very difficult to elevate her performances over these others with the process that is used and with no recorded long course performances in 2008 from the tabulations. If Susan would have gone to Portland or some USMS Sanctioned Long Course competitions, I am sure she would have been in there with the others but because that did not happen, the process only awards those performances in masters competitions.
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