For all of you who know Leslie the Fortress Livingston, this should help you know her better.
For all of you who don't know Leslie the Fortress Livingston, prepare for the thrill ride get-to-know-Leslie event of the year.
A little background: Leslie is the 4th woman in history in the 45-49 year age group to beat 30 seconds in the 50 SCM butterfly.
She did this at age 47, and it is possible that she is actually the FIRST woman in history this old to break 30 at the age (assuming the previous 3 were 45 or 46.)
www.youtube.com/watch
This small film will help you understand all that goes into becoming an extraordinary human being/swimmer. Oh, and there's a little about Leslie in this, too.
Just joking. It's all about Leslie. With some guest appearances by Paul Wolf, Julie "Mulie" Oplinger, Jeff "the Barbarian" Roddin, and Jim Thornton as "the narrator."
Please enjoy before Leslie forces Jim Matysek to take this down.
Several people did do official splits that resulted in national or world records, and I think the results label those as "time trials."
That's probably what the person who told me that saw then.
Glad we agree on one thing, Jeff. Whew. And I wasn't asking you to get involved in the process, I was asking for your opinion cuz I know you know stuff. I never promised to agree or to forego an appeal based on it. (Some people are stoic and suffer in silence; others get pissed and try to do something about it. Neither type is really wrong.) Of course, we can still continue to disagree on whether the rules need to be clarified if you want. :angel: Since very few people seem even to know the rules, including the officials, and they are rather ambiguous and open to different interpretations, it seems a rational and prudent course. Otherwise, swimmers could continue to be penalized.
If you see a 500 free result where Dennis Baker swims around 5:05 to 5:10, then he was swimming fly. I've heard that it's quite a sight to see him not only racing kids less than a third his age, but doing butterfly to boot. (Presumably he'd seed himself in a slower heat if he was planning to do fly, etc etc)
Dennis had been planning to swim the 1500 all fly at the LCM Nats in Portland. But being the Meet Director and trying to make Trials cut just made that impossible. I would have loved to see it tho.
Makes sense.
A competitor could miss their rival's time by a fraction, and try to better it by asking for a time trial.
Like a do-over.
There must be a place to refer to in the rule book. Or maybe not.
Apparently language stating otherwise seems a little vague.
I received this from the Officials Chairman, Charlie Cockrell the other day and this might shed some light on this from an Officials perspective.
As a follow-up, I have provided two additional items of interest for officials.
Meet Situation #7
Situation: During a meet, a swimmer approaches the Meet Referee and explains that he is attempting a USMS record in the 200-meter butterfly. During this event earlier in the meet, the swimmer missed the record by only 0.01-seconds. He requests that the Meet Referee add a time trial at the end of the meet so he can make another attempt. Should the Referee grant the request?
Resolution: Rule 102.13.1 states that the “order of events as stated in the meet announcement shall not be changed” and “the announced arrangement of heats shall not be added to or altered except by the authority of the referee to the extent of consolidating heats”). Therefore, adding individual time trials per swimmer requests to the meet program after the sanction has been granted is not permitted. The Referee may not grant the request.
I received this from the Officials Chairman, Charlie Cockrell the other day and this might shed some light on this from an Officials perspective.
As a follow-up, I have provided two additional items of interest for officials.
Meet Situation #7
Situation: During a meet, a swimmer approaches the Meet Referee and explains that he is attempting a USMS record in the 200-meter butterfly. During this event earlier in the meet, the swimmer missed the record by only 0.01-seconds. He requests that the Meet Referee add a time trial at the end of the meet so he can make another attempt. Should the Referee grant the request?
Resolution: Rule 102.13.1 states that the “order of events as stated in the meet announcement shall not be changed” and “the announced arrangement of heats shall not be added to or altered except by the authority of the referee to the extent of consolidating heats”). Therefore, adding individual time trials per swimmer requests to the meet program after the sanction has been granted is not permitted. The Referee may not grant the request.
:rofl:
Well, I certainly wasn't asking for a re-do!! Clearly, if a person wants multiple attempts at a single event they must enter appropriately and submit split requests.
I just got an email denying my appeal (as expected) yesterday and that was the rule they cited. Still, I think USMS should draft a rule for time trials in SCY. The rules are less than clear. I would note, moreover, that the Rules Committee did not address my Rule 202.2 argument -- which was the basis for my appeal -- at all. Chickens! They could have just cited Frank! :bow:
Frank "Skip" Thompson is a USMS swimming treasure, a former Coach of the Year and All American Nice Guy. I think we need to take up a collection so that when the unspeakable happens in 60-70 years from now, and Frank--like us all--passes on to the Great Pool In the Sky--that we can harvest and keep Frank's brain a la Albert Einstein's. I suspect that even stored pickled in a jar in the Executive Director's office, Frank's brain would continue to provide much sager resolutions to disputes than all the minutiae in all the handbooks in FINA-dom. (If you have not encountered this latter term and are unsure how to pronounce it, the emphasis is on the second syllable.)
Thanks, Frank.
I suspect that even stored pickled in a jar in the Executive Director's office, Frank's brain would continue to provide much sager resolutions to disputes than all the minutiae in all the handbooks in FINA-dom. (If you have not encountered this latter term and are unsure how to pronounce it, the emphasis is on the second syllable.)
Is that fi-NA-dom? Or fi-na-DOM?
