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Fortress: We had a discussion about this about 7 years ago. When USMS went to new software in January 2002, you could not get to the old forums where this was a hot topic. If I remember correctly, swimmers were asking the meet referee, officials, and the meet director if they could swim a time trial for a selected event after the meet. Some of these swimmers went faster than they did in the individual events in the meet and there were complaints about this from swimmers in the meet because they had actually swam the events and were not given special treatment of "time trial" swims for records and top ten purposes. From my recollections these swims were not permitted for top ten or record purposes because they were not in the original official sanction and that any agreement to add to this sanction after the meet started was "after the fact" and should not be part of the meet. It was also pointed out that any Referee or Official at the meet making any kind of decision about adding events to a sanction did not have authority to do this and this is an administrative function or "dry" side of the meet and that they are only there to enforce the "wet" side of the meet, meaning any technical rules of swimming. The LMSC issues the Official Sanction thru the LMSC Sanction Chair to the Meet Host and Meet Director usually signs for the Meet Host the Sanction agreement and once its signed cannot be changed, altered, or transferred. The Meet Director does not have the authority to alter the sanction once the meet starts and is only at liberty to do so if he reapplies for a sanction with the LMSC. This to me makes sense because during the meet you could have all sorts of swimmers wanting to change, add, and delete events. So this puts some kind of control and order for the meet to be conducted in an organized competition. A time trial to me cannot be construed as a timed final because it was not defined as a timed final event in the original schedule of events in the Official Sanction. A timed final event is the events that are on the schedule of the flyer, swam in the heats, and timed and put in the official results as timed final swims for that particular numbered event. Thanks Frank. Wow, that's interesting. Seems like I've heard quite a lot, including from Jeff, that if the meet director/referee announces the time trial at the beginning of the day and opens it to all, the time counts. This "announcment" point was also one of the reasons my time was initially disallowed. Perhaps more meet directors should consider putting a time trial slot on the order of events for their meet, if they think it won't run too long. (Rutgers was done around 1:00 or so.) USS swimming seems far ahead of us in some respects. This would certainly help people who have order of event issues. Paul, there were quite a few masters swimmers in the dual sanctioned yards meet I swam in in NC. First time I had ever seen that, really.

Fortress: We had a discussion about this about 7 years ago. When USMS went to new software in January 2002, you could not get to the old forums where this was a hot topic. If I remember correctly, swimmers were asking the meet referee, officials, and the meet director if they could swim a time trial for a selected event after the meet. Some of these swimmers went faster than they did in the individual events in the meet and there were complaints about this from swimmers in the meet because they had actually swam the events and were not given special treatment of "time trial" swims for records and top ten purposes. From my recollections these swims were not permitted for top ten or record purposes because they were not in the original official sanction and that any agreement to add to this sanction after the meet started was "after the fact" and should not be part of the meet. It was also pointed out that any Referee or Official at the meet making any kind of decision about adding events to a sanction did not have authority to do this and this is an administrative function or "dry" side of the meet and that they are only there to enforce the "wet" side of the meet, meaning any technical rules of swimming. The LMSC issues the Official Sanction thru the LMSC Sanction Chair to the Meet Host and Meet Director usually signs for the Meet Host the Sanction agreement and once its signed cannot be changed, altered, or transferred. The Meet Director does not have the authority to alter the sanction once the meet starts and is only at liberty to do so if he reapplies for a sanction with the LMSC. This to me makes sense because during the meet you could have all sorts of swimmers wanting to change, add, and delete events. So this puts some kind of control and order for the meet to be conducted in an organized competition. A time trial to me cannot be construed as a timed final because it was not defined as a timed final event in the original schedule of events in the Official Sanction. A timed final event is the events that are on the schedule of the flyer, swam in the heats, and timed and put in the official results as timed final swims for that particular numbered event. Thanks Frank. Wow, that's interesting. Seems like I've heard quite a lot, including from Jeff, that if the meet director/referee announces the time trial at the beginning of the day and opens it to all, the time counts. This "announcment" point was also one of the reasons my time was initially disallowed. Perhaps more meet directors should consider putting a time trial slot on the order of events for their meet, if they think it won't run too long. (Rutgers was done around 1:00 or so.) USS swimming seems far ahead of us in some respects. This would certainly help people who have order of event issues. Paul, there were quite a few masters swimmers in the dual sanctioned yards meet I swam in in NC. First time I had ever seen that, really.