Ban the tech suits?

I am just back from the SPMA meet where all the top finisher were wearing the latest generation tech suits,mostly B-70s(or were named Jeff Commings.)I have here to for been in favor of the suits,but now I am not so sure.First,they eliminate the old bench marks.I went my fastest 100m BR in 5 yr in my LZR,but it was only .3 sec faster than I did untapered 5 wk earlier in my first swim in the LZR.So was my swim good or not,I'm not sure.Also,instead of focusing on technique or pace I found myself ruminating over aspects of the suits,how many more swims did the suit have,is it the right size,was the reason I didn't get better results from my B-70 because it was too big?etc.The B-70 has somewhat mitigated the "too expensive,not durable" problem,but for how long. Lets say a company comes up with a suit that is much faster,say 4 sec/100.Further that it is very expensive(say $1000) lasts 4 swims and is very hard to make so that quantities are always limited and the fastest way to get one is to bid up to $3000 on ebay. Now lets say your nemesis has one,or that getting one is your best chance to get TT or AA or a ZR or WR,or that your child is close to making JO cuts,or finally beating his/her nemesis etc. Is it worth it and where does it stop?
  • Jeff, I can see your point. However, what about what might be called the "Scissors Effect"? One of the very, very few swimming advantages I have is baldness. I also have an appendage that is extraordinarily reactive to cold water and the shrinkage factor. Then we have, on the other blocks, hirsute fellows like yourself, gifted with (what I can only assume from the female smiles you leave in your wake) the kind of apparatus that would make adult industry stars jealous. I think you will agree that wearing any kind of binding suit whatsoever, such as a conventional Speedo brief, gives you stallion-like fellows an unnatural advantage in the water. Moreover, if you were forced to swim completely swim-cap-less and au naturelle, those raven Aztec locks untrimmed for years and pointing towards the heavens like the quills on an enraged porcupine, well--I think you see where I am going with this. Here is the challenge: Throw away your scissors, razor, and other shearing apparatus. No hair cuts or shaving for the next four years. No suits of any sort whatsoever. A 100 meter freestyle sprint in early 2103. Just the hairball big-gonaded youngster vs. the bald impotent 60 year old. To give you one advantage, I will personally ask CreamPuff to administer a pre-race massage to loosen any muscles that may be tight at the humiliating prospect of losing to an old wreck. CreamPuff: spare no warming unguents! I insist! This will settle the question once and for all. And the footage of such a completely natural state of swimming competition, unaided by any form of technology or even, for that matter, modicum of decency, might actually even help drive viewers to my five-star rated VLOG! forums.usms.org/blog.php PS The loser gets to race CreamPuff under similar conditions. I was about to poke out my mind's eye in an effort to eradicate the image seared into it by Jim's challenge. But then I realized that by 2103, which is after all roughly 94 years from now, depending I suppose on Jim's meaning in specifying "early" 2103, you would both be skinless skeletal remains (or ashes, if cremation is your wont) with your organs (both male and those shared with the fairer sex as well (I suppose it's possible that one or even, although it seems most unlikely, both of you, could say that you have on occasion shared some organ of yours with the fairer sex, but that's not what I meant)) shriveled and dessicated beyond recognition. And I felt better.
  • OK...first off if someone already posted about this I apologize as i have only read a few posts on this subject. Yesterday i was talking with a Div. I college coach who's team swam at the Texas invite a few weeks back...according to him there were a lot of swimmers wearing a B70 over a LZR....he said it was across a number of teams and a fair amount of these swimmers made their "A" & "B" NCAA cuts. Fast forward to just the last two weeks and the NCAA issues a statement which bans the use of two suits like this...but grants an exemption of sorts to swimmers who used them prior to the announcement. It sounds like a number of coaches have written/complained to the NCAA saying it offered an unfair advantage to swimmers who were allowed to do it up until this point and that in fact to be fair the practice should be allowed thru this season...with a possible exception being to not allow it at NCAA's. It appears they (The NCAA) agreed with the observation...but refused to reverse its decision. Nice.
  • here's an article on the 2 suit topic www.collegeswimming.com/.../ www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../19828.asp Ande, I heard the Texas women's team (not the men's as it sounds like Eddie is very much against it)...and the Arizona team (men and women) had quite a few swimmers doing this?
  • shriveled and dessicated beyond recognition. And I felt better. What is this world coming to when a beautiful male swimming body of the sort that I possess must be cloaked in not one, not two, but three full body suits, then left to rot for 100 years, moldering away to skeleton and dust, in order for my manifold rivals to sleep? One might imagine the keening laments of the womenfolk alone might undo whatever repose such Salieri's of the Water can find in the vanishing of my Staff of Vengeance! For more on me:
  • not sure which swimmers double suited at the texas invite I was up in the stands and didn't have a good view UT women only had 6 blue 70 suits among the entire team. spoke with one of the womens coaches after the invite who said: + some of the swimmers at other schools double suited + the NCAA had launched or was about to launch a one suit per swimmer rule + they didn't want to be responsible for policing this rule after the fact One coach said the US protested double suiting at the 2008 olympics when pelligrini won the 200 free wearing 2 suits, meet officials didn't see double suiting as a rule violation. my guess is soon the rule book is going to specify wearing 2 suits as grounds for disqualification probably in 102.10 DISQUALIFICATIONS .10 No swimmer is permitted to wear or use any device or substance to help his / her speed, pace or buoyancy during a race. Goggles may be worn, and rubdown oil applied if not considered excessive by the Referee. but we might also see it in section 102.9 SWIMWEAR the simple fact is wearing 2 or more tech suits can increase floatation and compression. One coach said zippers might be out soon too I wrote about this back in Aug 2008 after I heard some swimmers at the US olympic trials double suited, but I think there were swimmers experimenting with this years ago. ande Ande, I heard the Texas women's team (not the men's as it sounds like Eddie is very much against it) ... and the Arizona team (men and women) had quite a few swimmers doing this?
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    anyone besides me notice that the poll results just shot up disproportionately. i suspect foul play and sock puppets! i demand an investigation! (we do have the funds for this ....don't we) is ken starr available?
  • Jeff, a half second now. But what about four years of uninterrupted spiky hair growth! Plus I may have to get CreamPuff to begin the annointment of unguents even sooner and more regularly. There is a really good one I am recommending for scalp massage called "Minoxidil". See you in four years, at which point I will have my people use fiber optic camera apparatus to spelunk through enough of your head hair and beard to actually visualize your face and verify that it is you, and then the race can begin. Tell Mollie to prepare herself! Three months from now, you and Howard Hughes will look like twins. Four years? I shudder to think.
  • Jim, I've already run experiments with and without a cap. Only a half-second hindrance for that 100. Don't expect to win.
  • In fact I'm quite glad that someone is blowing their money and I have less competition for people bidding up real estate!!! :bump: Dolphin 2 Go fix an escalator and leave us alone. Better yet, go to a pool and fix their escalator, that way you could at least claim to have been near a pool once in your life.