USMS Virtual National Champion

It is not quite the same,but in Oregon we have Outstanding Swimmer awards that go to the swimmers who have the most points from TT(1st place gets 10 points,2nd 9 etc.)

We did this in New England six years ago... we did a "virtual championship" of several of the other LMSC/regional championships across the country. Results are here: www.meetresults.com/.../ -Rick

Rick....did it generate any interest at all? Curious because if it had value I'm guessing you would have done it again? Allen, I think its a cool idea. LMSC's could possibly get more involement if this type of thing were promoted? I'm guessing it wouldn't be that hard for a person who has the data to put together but it would be interesting to me not only to see how SCY & LCM would have scored with the new scoring system in place as well as if the Top 10 times were used.

I had the 2007 Top Ten data already in Excel, it wasn't hard to calculate. I used a 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 point system for the top ten. Here are the top ten teams in each course. SCY 07 CMS 1569 SDSM 1526 OREG 1396 PNA 1395 IM 1375 NEM 1091 WCM 963 MICH 779 NCMS 739 ISF 675 SCM 07 SDSM 1883 NEM 1667 ARIZ 1231 WCM 1090 OREG 902 VMST 834 MICH 821 NOVA 673 NCMS 643 GSM 642 LCM 07 SDSM 1395 WMST 1151 NEM 1073 ARIZ 1031 FMM 1008 OREG 955 FLAQ 802 FACT 790 WCM 717 MICH 671

You've still got clubs scored with regions, and some regions are represented by only one club like WCM and NOVA. Where's Pacific, where's SPMA? Great idea tho'. I used the club entries as they are entered in the USMS Top Ten. I don't see SPMA though I do see SPM (eg, 24th in SCY07 with 322 pts). I don't know Pacific's abbreviation. I should point out that these results do NOT include relays; I only downloaded the individual TT results for a separate project of mine. Since I already had the data all nice and neat, the scoring just took a little fiddling. I didn't do extensive error checking, but I did verify the score independently for my own club (VMST). The downloading/parsing takes far longer than the scoring itself, so I don't have the time to add the relays anytime soon. I can do it in a month or so if people are really interested. I anyone really disagrees with the points I used, it is a simple matter to change them and re-score, if you convince me your point-scoring system is better. Just to make Allen happy, here are the results so far for this year (I do believe OREG's bragging rights are pretty well established in LCM). SCY 08 CMS 1351 SDSM 1278 ARIZ 1013 NEM 949 IM 920 WCM 790 OREG 784 VMST 778 MICH 712 NCMS 687 LCM 08 (Preliminary) OREG 2606 ARIZ 1395 SDSM 1232 WCM 992 NEM 906 TOC 847 FACT 729 FLAQ 677 PNA 582 GOLD 575

Just to make Allen happy, here are the results so far for this year (I do believe OREG's bragging rights are pretty well established in LCM). And PNA's ninth place finish is pretty lame with LC Nats "just down the road."

I used the club entries as they are entered in the USMS Top Ten. I don't see SPMA though I do see SPM (eg, 24th in SCY07 with 322 pts). I don't know Pacific's abbreviation. Pacific is PC (OK no snarky observations about appropriateness), and Southern Pacific is SP, maybe SPM as you observed. Those of us who swim on club teams, like Clemmons, register for nationals with their home team and not their LMSC. If you wanted to score Pacific you'd have to know all of our 110 team abbreviations. These are some of the teams that scored in our SCMs in October: WCM, BAY, MAM, RHMS, TCAM, SRM, SMMM, TAM, TOC, STAN, DAM, TVM, USF, MVM, RINC, LVTC, BAM, TEME, MELO, AAM, WACM, SAC, FGST, PCAM, LNM, you get my point. That's the problem with a mythical National SCM Championship, you can't score a third of the competitors with a top ten scoring system. Why not use the meet results from the zone championships?

Pacific is PC (OK no snarky observations about appropriateness), and Southern Pacific is SP, maybe SPM as you observed. Those of us who swim on club teams, like Clemmons, register for nationals with their home team and not their LMSC. If you wanted to score Pacific you'd have to know all of our 110 team abbreviations. These are some of the teams that scored in our SCMs in October: WCM, BAY, MAM, RHMS, TCAM, SRM, SMMM, TAM, TOC, STAN, DAM, TVM, USF, MVM, RINC, LVTC, BAM, TEME, MELO, AAM, WACM, SAC, FGST, PCAM, LNM, you get my point. That's the problem with a mythical National SCM Championship, you can't score a third of the competitors with a top ten scoring system. Why not use the meet results from the zone championships? SPM must be St Pete Masters since they are from Florida. I see a number of the clubs you mention in the results -- WCM, TOC, STAN, TAM, MVN -- they just didn't all crack the top ten teams. I uploaded a PDF file with the complete results for anyone who wants to look up their team. (Note: I didn't remove the "UNAT" team from these results.) Why not use the zones? I can't speak for others, but for me: simply because it would be more work. I already had the TT data in Excel (and doing that is a little tedious since you have to download it in 8 "pieces," one for each zone. Adding relays doubles that). It took me maybe 20 minutes to get the scores, and that was the first time, just figuring out the best way to do it. Now that I've done it, once I get the data into Excel, it takes about 2 minutes. But (a) collecting the MM files (b) checking them for errors (c) importing them into Excel (probably via Team Manager) then (d) sorting the results and scoring them? That would probably take a good chunk of time and all because some people essentially swim for two different clubs. I am content to treat the TT teams as the "official" team. Anyone who wants to get more detailed, have at it. :)

I am content to treat the TT teams as the "official" team. Anyone who wants to get more detailed, have at it.:) OK, I just went through the '07 SCM and pulled all of the Pacific Clubs I could identify and added the scores and got . . .3295. There's a good reason not to score us as an LMSC right there! Thanks for all the compiling Chris. Makes you grateful for all the work that went into the scoring system over the last three conventions, eh? :argue:

OK, I just went through the '07 SCM and pulled all of the Pacific Clubs I could identify and added the scores and got . . .3295. There's a good reason not to score us as an LMSC right there! Thanks for all the compiling Chris. Makes you grateful for all the work that went into the scoring system over the last three conventions, eh? :argue: Oh I see. Heck, scoring by LMSCs with the data I have is pretty easy too. Results are attached. I throw in zones for extra measure. (What can I say? I like data.)