I'm seeking advice on training for the 100 fly. Decided to start swimming it last year. Swam it 7x on the three courses. I can only remember 3x times where I didn't suffer from complete paralysis the last 15 meters or so and worry about a DQ. Gah. So how can I fix this?
I've read that you don't need to train fly in practice. I'm not sure I buy this. The muscular fatigue from fly seems unique. And I don't want to substitute freestyle training for it.
What are some good sets? How many SDKs per length should I take to prevent oxygen debt? If too much fly hurts the shoulders, is kicking a decent training substitute?
I also seem to swim better 100 flys on a week rest. The paralysis seems to be associated with a 2 week taper. Does aerobic fitness drop off that quickly? Is this an age thing? Or is it that I just don't train enough yards for a 2 week taper?
I think you have to swim 100s (straight) in practice to be successful come meet time. Heck, I swim broke 100s; 25, 50 and 75 repeats and 100s and I still die at the end. I also do tons of drills. It's the ONLY event I swim regularly that I swim almost as fast in practice as I do at a meet ... anyway ...
Hmm, I must be the exception as I just swam a very relaxed 1:00.9 100y fly without ever having swum fly in practice for more than a 50, and even that isn't very often.
We'll find out if that was just an aberation come three weeks from now.
I do what I feel works for me. I realize that others are able to get away with less actual fly training. Part of that comes from background - I never really swam fly until four years ago and really just started training and competing it two years ago - a lot different from many that are saying they never swim over 50 yards or don't do 100s.
Hmm, I must be the exception as I just swam a very relaxed 1:00.9 100y fly without ever having swum fly in practice for more than a 50, and even that isn't very often.
We'll find out if that was just an aberation come three weeks from now.
Outrageous braggart! You leave my FAF sista alone.
You will have serious death if you don't get your ass back to the pool. :bolt:
I think you have to swim 100s (straight) in practice to be successful come meet time. Heck, I swim broke 100s; 25, 50 and 75 repeats and 100s and I still die at the end. I also do tons of drills. It's the ONLY event I swim regularly that I swim almost as fast in practice as I do at a meet
Sorry Ms. Queen but if you are sticking to a routine in workout that doesn't help you to stop dying in meets AND you are swimming the same time in workouts as said meets then I would suggest maybe you do need to consider a change? Sticking to a routine is about the worst thing you can do as an competitive athlete...how would you ever know it was "working for you" if you haven't experimented with alternatives?
Sorry Ms. Queen but if you are sticking to a routine in workout that doesn't help you to stop dying in meets AND you are swimming the same time in workouts as said meets then I would suggest maybe you do need to consider a change? Sticking to a routine is about the worst thing you can do as an competitive athlete...how would you ever know it was "working for you" if you haven't experimented with alternatives?
Well, I think I need to actually swim more 100s and further fly and continue to work on my stroke. I fully understand and agree with what you are saying but I think I am not explaning myself well. I need to figure out what does work and sadly I think it's longer fly repeats ... thanks for the thoughts though.
Very interesting point - to train 25s/ 50s/ 75s for the 100 or to train 100s for the 100 fly.
As a kid I only did diving well sprints, 25s, 50s and the occasional 75 and hit :58.6 in the 100. Never did 100s full fly sets. However, who knows what my potential really was? I have to say that since I started training more fly (with USS - over the summer season) that my fly times really dropped and are lifetime bests. And that "die" feeling is pretty minimal.
Even if someone drops a lot of time, it's still hard to measure if they've reached their full potential. How do you know. . .
I'd say that a 1:00.9 for a male is in line with the fly training listed.
(S)he, I'm going to guess that your a lot stronger and better conditioned now than you were when you were at your "young" peak. Also, having watched the video you posted of one of your 100 flys it was very apparent that although in excellent shape your technique needed a fair amount of fine tuning and the "details" like turns/breakouts/streamlines/etc. were all in need of work...I think you even pointed out that you could probably be 1-3 seconds faster?
So the point being swimming a lot of 100 flys in practice may get you to the next step (or not)...but if you are in generally very good aerobic shape focusing on shorter distances at fast speed and an emphasis on perfect form vs. hammering longer fly sets can do wonders for sprint (50/100 fly).
Hmm, I must be the exception as I just swam a very relaxed 1:00.9 100y fly without ever having swum fly in practice for more than a 50, and even that isn't very often.
We'll find out if that was just an aberation come three weeks from now.
Very interesting point - to train 25s/ 50s/ 75s for the 100 or to train 100s for the 100 fly.
As a kid I only did diving well sprints, 25s, 50s and the occasional 75 and hit :58.6 in the 100. Never did 100s full fly sets. However, who knows what my potential really was? I have to say that since I started training more fly (with USS - over the summer season) that my fly times really dropped and are lifetime bests. And that "die" feeling is pretty minimal.
Even if someone drops a lot of time, it's still hard to measure if they've reached their full potential. How do you know. . .
I'd say that a 1:00.9 for a male is in line with the fly training listed.
Sorry Ms. Queen but if you are sticking to a routine in workout that doesn't help you to stop dying in meets AND you are swimming the same time in workouts as said meets then I would suggest maybe you do need to consider a change? Sticking to a routine is about the worst thing you can do as an competitive athlete...how would you ever know it was "working for you" if you haven't experimented with alternatives?
I agree with Paul Smith. (That can't be good, can it? Anyway...) If you're only training for the 100 fly, particularly if only the short course 100 fly, doing repeats of 50's should be enough. Now if you're training for the 200, or maybe the LCM 100, then 75's are an excellent distance to do in practice, provided that you can maintain your stroke technique. When I do 75's, I get that bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that 50's don't provide. It's the exact opposite of this: :bliss:
I think one reason that the piano dropped on me in the 200 in Portland was that I didn't train enough 75's. Another reason was bad race execution. Another was that I'd never done the 200 in LCM before. Those last two are easy to address. Doing repeats of 75's once or twice a week is not as easy, but I've been keeping it up so far, if only to avoid another piano. :banana:
