Training for the 100 fly?

I'm seeking advice on training for the 100 fly. Decided to start swimming it last year. Swam it 7x on the three courses. I can only remember 3x times where I didn't suffer from complete paralysis the last 15 meters or so and worry about a DQ. Gah. So how can I fix this? I've read that you don't need to train fly in practice. I'm not sure I buy this. The muscular fatigue from fly seems unique. And I don't want to substitute freestyle training for it. What are some good sets? How many SDKs per length should I take to prevent oxygen debt? If too much fly hurts the shoulders, is kicking a decent training substitute? I also seem to swim better 100 flys on a week rest. The paralysis seems to be associated with a 2 week taper. Does aerobic fitness drop off that quickly? Is this an age thing? Or is it that I just don't train enough yards for a 2 week taper?
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    Lindsay--Do you have a link for that video? www.youtube.com/watch It's at about the 5:30 mark, and I was wrong he is using cables on a weight machine not stretch cords. And maybe lots of aerobic work? While not doubting the need for aerobic work I've seen enough people who have no problem swimming 150 free hard without dying that experience the piano in the 100 fly that I don't think aerobic work alone will get you there. While it may not apply to anyone here, I know that I and many others can be tempted to "force" the recovery and that that can lead to premature shoulder fatigue compared to a more relaxed recovery that flows with the stroke. And the further back you take your pull the more effort it takes to initiate the forward motion. And that the closer your hands are under the body the more the recovery seems to flow out of the outward movement of the hands toward exit from the water. The above video and this one: www.youtube.com/watch have some good slow motion shots of the entry and catch, I was surprised at how his hands aren't that far apart even at the beginning, and then pull straight back. Crocker and Phelps sweep out wider in the early part of the pull.
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    Lindsay--Do you have a link for that video? www.youtube.com/watch It's at about the 5:30 mark, and I was wrong he is using cables on a weight machine not stretch cords. And maybe lots of aerobic work? While not doubting the need for aerobic work I've seen enough people who have no problem swimming 150 free hard without dying that experience the piano in the 100 fly that I don't think aerobic work alone will get you there. While it may not apply to anyone here, I know that I and many others can be tempted to "force" the recovery and that that can lead to premature shoulder fatigue compared to a more relaxed recovery that flows with the stroke. And the further back you take your pull the more effort it takes to initiate the forward motion. And that the closer your hands are under the body the more the recovery seems to flow out of the outward movement of the hands toward exit from the water. The above video and this one: www.youtube.com/watch have some good slow motion shots of the entry and catch, I was surprised at how his hands aren't that far apart even at the beginning, and then pull straight back. Crocker and Phelps sweep out wider in the early part of the pull.
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