I agree with scyfreestyler that dopers are likely not weighing the consequences too rationally. They're living in denial. Besides, depending on your age and ignoring the Dara anomaly, in some cases 2 years, could effectively be like a lifetime ban.
Why did she improve so much in freestyle and not breaststroke?
That is actually a very good question.....you would think that taking PEDs would enhance every aspect of your swimming since it would increase muscle mass in all of your muscles not just a few.....
Any experts out there on this one?
Oh no Bill, I was only referring to the "guilty ones" they executed after ten to twenty appeals and years on death row---
And I do not want to hijack this thread with this "non-swimming" discussion....so I will end my comments here.
I promised myself I wouldn't get sucked back into this, but apparently I'm not getting an adequate dose of pain these days...
A person (say, Smith By Marriage) has a knife in her hand and she is standing over the dead body of a man (say, a Smith by Birth). When asked if she has killed SBB, SBM says yes. At this point, I think we can all agree that SBM is a murderer. Based on what I've read, I am sure that Lindsey and Tracy would agree as well, as would I. If SBM killed SBB because he made a snotty comment in a USMS forum about her getting her swimsuit on, she gets a ticket to terminal dreamland. If she was slicing tomatoes and SBB tripped over his own klutzy feet and fell into the knife, she gets a lesser sentence.
And that is, I think ,what some of us have been saying: Before we fry her completely, we'd like to KNOW what actually happened. Did JH test positive for clenbuterol: YES. But, is she just stupid (for, say, taking tainted supplements) or evil (for deliberately doping)? Until all the facts are in, I have the luxury of being able to wait to decide if she is worse than stupid and shall do so.
(I realize that if SBM knifed SBB because he said that her swimsuit made her butt look fat she'd get off scott-free if there were women on the jury, but we have to accept that the system isn't perfect. Even you, Geek, need to admit that some things are above the law.)
-LBJ
I promised myself I wouldn't get sucked back into this, but apparently I'm not getting an adequate dose of pain these days...
A person (say, Smith By Marriage) has a knife in her hand and she is standing over the dead body of a man (say, a Smith by Birth). When asked if she has killed SBB, SBM says yes. At this point, I think we can all agree that SBM is a murderer. Based on what I've read, I am sure that Lindsey and Tracy would agree as well, as would I. If SBM killed SBB because he made a snotty comment in a USMS forum about her getting her swimsuit on, she gets a ticket to terminal dreamland. If she was slicing tomatoes and SBB tripped over his own klutzy feet and fell into the knife, she gets a lesser sentence.
And that is, I think ,what some of us have been saying: Before we fry her completely, we'd like to KNOW what actually happened. Did JH test positive for clenbuterol: YES. But, is she just stupid (for, say, taking tainted supplements) or evil (for deliberately doping)? Until all the facts are in, I have the luxury of being able to wait to decide if she is worse than stupid and shall do so.
(I realize that if SBM knifed SBB because he said that her swimsuit made her butt look fat she'd get off scott-free if there were women on the jury, but we have to accept that the system isn't perfect. Even you, Geek, need to admit that some things are above the law.)
-LBJ
I'll drink to that one.....if I can quit laughing long enough to down it!!!!!
As usual, Peter speaks with great wisdom.
Fair enough and I agree I've gone a bit overboard. But, here's the thing, in my opinion this never-ending long winded story of every doping cheating doper is part of the problem. It's never enough that the doper is busted, there has to be some long drawn out series of denials, stories, hearings, etc. To me, once the test is failed it's game over, you're out, there is no additional story to be told, no additional spin which excuses the behavior. We have people like Lindsey who want to microanalyze her intent, her feelings, my feelings, pay off narcs, etc.
Part of the process of stopping doping is stopping the endless circus that is currently allowed after you are a proven cheat, this case being yet another prime example.
Stop taking drugs, stop lying, stop cheating - simple concept.
Second...you can wait as long as you want, say a few prayers, consult a psychic but you most likely will never know the truth regarding her intent.
JH's lawyer has made a few statements the he has a good lead on where it came from and plans to present evidence at her hearing, why not wait for him to put his cards on the table and then make a judgment?
JH's lawyer has made a few statements the he has a good lead on where it came from and plans to present evidence at her hearing, why not wait for him to put his cards on the table and then make a judgment?
All in at the flop.
