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  • This is where we differ with no apparent likelihood of reaching agreement. I feel that intent is relevant to whether someone is a lying cheater. You apparently do not. In the course of the various threads we've had three examples of athletes that tested positive and certainly committed doping violations but aren't in my opinion "lying cheaters", certainly no evidence that they lied has been brought up. Your feelings aren't relevant and neither are mine. The rules she chose to break are relevant. Personally, I could care less how she feels. She obviously is probably feeling a little different now that she was busted using banned substances. I will also not engage in parsing of the level of accountability she has for her own actions. She doped, she was busted, she has some cockamamy series of excuses, like all other busted dopers yet we need to feel for her and examine her intent, crazy. She has admitted to also taking a dozen supplements. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her when she assumed the risk?
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  • This is where we differ with no apparent likelihood of reaching agreement. I feel that intent is relevant to whether someone is a lying cheater. You apparently do not. In the course of the various threads we've had three examples of athletes that tested positive and certainly committed doping violations but aren't in my opinion "lying cheaters", certainly no evidence that they lied has been brought up. Your feelings aren't relevant and neither are mine. The rules she chose to break are relevant. Personally, I could care less how she feels. She obviously is probably feeling a little different now that she was busted using banned substances. I will also not engage in parsing of the level of accountability she has for her own actions. She doped, she was busted, she has some cockamamy series of excuses, like all other busted dopers yet we need to feel for her and examine her intent, crazy. She has admitted to also taking a dozen supplements. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her when she assumed the risk?
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