Crap, someone tested positive...

where was the interview??

She was interviewed on the news this morning. Didn't seem at all emotional or outraged by the fact that her test came in negative...and she insists she's innocent. She made a very lame statement on how she couldn't spell what they found in her system...and how she called her lawyer right after speaking with her parents. So you've used your psychological profiling skills to determine malicious intent. Nicely done! Case closed. Move on, everyone, nothing more to see here. Professing innocence obviously means she's hiding something. And only guilty people use lawyers for pete's sake. I, for one, knew this bubbly blonde was going to stop at nothing to achieve her evil plan from the moment she burst onto the scene as a wide-eyed teenager. It's about time someone shone a light into the dark abyss of her 21-year old soul. Yes, she tested positive and will have to abide by whatever outcome the process dictates from here. But that is separate from whether this was a horrible plan or horrible mistake.

The following chemical substances enhance athletic performance and recovery: Water Carbohydrate Fat Protein Vitamins Let's ban them! OK. This is why I stopped posting on this board years ago - because of people who have to make comments like this. Read my post and respond to the substance in it. I talked about the over-the-counter supplements that the athletes take, which are in effect "performance-enhancing". I tried to impress upon the readers that it would be most sensible to returning to a diet that consists of - gasp - food! Quote from David Salo: "I believe this was an inadvertent consumption of a banned substance and I have urged Jessica to have any supplement, vitamin, etc. that she has consumed to be tested for purity... Having said that, in 30 years of coaching I have never encouraged and have generally discouraged my athletes of taking supplements of any kind." The most sensible thing I've heard out of a coach about supplements to date. They aren't regulated well, and an athlete should be able to eat a well-balanced butritious diet without resorting to manufactured compounds. If this was indeed an accidental intake of a banned stimulant due to poor manufacturing oversight, it's a shame, but the responsibility rests on the swimmer and anyone who encouraged her decision to turn to supplements.

So you've used your psychological profiling skills to determine malicious intent. Nicely done! Case closed. Move on, everyone, nothing more to see here. Professing innocence obviously means she's hiding something. And only guilty people use lawyers for pete's sake. I, for one, knew this bubbly blonde was going to stop at nothing to achieve her evil plan from the moment she burst onto the scene as a wide-eyed teenager. It's about time someone shone a light into the dark abyss of her 21-year old soul. Yes, she tested positive and will have to abide by whatever outcome the process dictates from here. But that is separate from whether this was a horrible plan or horrible mistake. Good point. Blond hair blue eyed people are incapable of devising sinister plots to shine in Olympic glory. Insert sarcasm. When they air the interview on YouTube...you can also be the judge. No tears, no protests, nothing. Calling the lawyer? Not a sign of guilt, but the first plan of defense. Apparently the test results are very sketchy, and Tonya Harding was behind all of this.

Good point. Blond hair blue eyed people are incapable of devising sinister plots to shine in Olympic glory. Insert sarcasm. When they air the interview on YouTube...you can also be the judge. No tears, no protests, nothing. Calling the lawyer? Not a sign of guilt, but the first plan of defense. Apparently the test results are very sketchy, and Tonya Harding was behind all of this. I think calling a lawyer in a case like this just makes good sense...guilty or innocent.

Yes, she tested positive and will have to abide by whatever outcome the process dictates from here. But that is separate from whether this was a horrible plan or horrible mistake. /sarcasm on Daaaave this is the wrong crowd for that kind of reason and detracted emotion. Here "horrible mistakes" are merely signalling incorrectly in traffiic, or not calling your Mother on Mother's day etc Doping and the like is justification for being grouped with murderers and rapists. Be assured, this is an absolute planned heresy by Jessica to bring down the USA swim program. Don't be surprised if it comes out that she's a sleeper for Al Qaeda or something to boot. /sarcasm off I see it a bit like you, that she messed up and has to pay the price, but the "Pitchfork n Blazing Torch Ustashe" trip is a bit much. I am not sad that she got caught--it's a good thing. I am not feeling sad for her because she's been booted (unless something shows this is not her doing). I think it is sad that people choose to do this type of thing, because the don't see the bigger picture of their health and other peoples situation, and yes I feel very sad for others that miss out because of it. Self centeredness is at the heart of most offices and work places in the race for promotion and gain, some is malicious and nasty, and some just "rational self interest," why is Sports supposed to be any different? That's the American/Capitalist way--you can't expect everyone to worry about those in their destructive wake. That's the deal, but you have the same chance to do it yourself. The "screw you" attitude is especially rampant in the NE, and that's just driving to the train or office, or a blooming yard sale. I respect and like most of the outraged posters here, I feel for them if they've been a victim of this sort of thing, or just dislike it on principal. I just can't quite reconcile some of the stances with the situation. She'll be punished and rightly so, but put it in perspective. Increase the financial penalty on her; have Tara Kirk sue her, fine; ban dopers for good, that's appropriate. As for sitting in judgement, think back to college years, you ever do something really stupid but not get caught? Ever get behind the wheel just a tiny bit over the limit or that sort of thing. If it wasn't you I bet you know a friend that did, ready to have them suffer the severe penalties? Young people do reckless and short sighted things, some don't it's the same old story. If it was any of your kids; I'd take the same stance; they have to face the music but it's not for me to dictate what the punishment is. She's only 21, the same 21 as some guys and girls get killed in Iraq/Afghanistan. I shake my head and think they're just kids. Not "they're grown adults, they knew the risks, it's their lookout."

/sarcasm on Daaaave this is the wrong crowd for that kind of reason and detracted emotion. Here "horrible mistakes" are merely signalling incorrectly in traffiic, or not calling your Mother on Mother's day etc Doping and the like is justification for being grouped with murderers and rapists. Be assured, this is an absolute planned heresy by Jessica to bring down the USA swim program. Don't be surprised if it comes out that she's a sleeper for Al Qaeda or something to boot. /sarcasm off I see it a bit like you, that she messed up and has to pay the price, but the "Pitchfork n Blazing Torch Ustashe" trip is a bit much. I am not sad that she got caught--it's a good thing. I am not feeling sad for her because she's been booted (unless something shows this is not her doing). I think it is sad that people choose to do this type of thing, because the don't see the bigger picture of their health and other peoples situation, and yes I feel very sad for others that miss out because of it. Self centeredness is at the heart of most offices and work places in the race for promotion and gain, some is malicious and nasty, and some just "rational self interest," why is Sports supposed to be any different? That's the American/Capitalist way--you can't expect everyone to worry about those in their destructive wake. That's the deal, but you have the same chance to do it yourself. The "screw you" attitude is especially rampant in the NE, and that's just driving to the train or office, or a blooming yard sale. I respect and like most of the outraged posters here, I feel for them if they've been a victim of this sort of thing, or just dislike it on principal. I just can't quite reconcile some of the stances with the situation. She'll be punished and rightly so, but put it in perspective. Increase the financial penalty on her; have Tara Kirk sue her, fine; ban dopers for good, that's appropriate. As for sitting in judgement, think back to college years, you ever do something really stupid but not get caught? Ever get behind the wheel just a tiny bit over the limit or that sort of thing. If it wasn't you I bet you know a friend that did, ready to have them suffer the severe penalties? Young people do reckless and short sighted things, some don't it's the same old story. If it was any of your kids; I'd take the same stance; they have to face the music but it's not for me to dictate what the punishment is. She's only 21, the same 21 as some guys and girls get killed in Iraq/Afghanistan. I shake my head and think they're just kids. Not "they're grown adults, they knew the risks, it's their lookout." I hear you Stud. If PED use equates to "Screw you! Your life should be ruined forever!", then what would a DUI equate to? Death sentence? Drawn and quartered? :dunno:

Stud - where you've gone off the tracks with your assertions is saying she's a dumb, naive 21 year old. In order for her to obtain the level that she's currently at she has probably been at the elite level since at least age 13 and probably in the pool since many years before that. She also went to school on a swimming scholarship, no small feat there. She has known for at least a half decade not to do drugs and yet with all that knowledge she has decided to do so. The point is she is not dumb nor naive. If all this plays out that she is a doper she has done a very calculated, educated thing strictly for her advantage. The fact that she only tested positive once leads me to believe her program was well run (almost) and designed for both performance and non-detection. Geek I'm not saying she's dumb or naive that she missed the message, just that she's dumb, naive, arrogant, cocky about life like many 21 year olds. I know guys with academic creds out the wazzoo but they are dumb as god knows what when it comes to common sense and social behaviour. I am in no way defending what she did or condoning it. If it reads that way I can't stress enough that's not what I mean. I don't feel sorry for her, she's been told enough as you point out, but kids still do stupid things, and wake up after. Sure a bit of sincere contrition here by her might be a good thing--at least some apology to Tara Kirk. I'm not playing devil's advocate; it looks bad, but there could be a mitigating circumstance, we'll see. I won't be saying "See I told you so" if something clears her name. By example do you think Phelps never knew not to drink and drive? He actually put lives at risk. I just think the punishment should fit the crime, let's lock up the real criminals and keep athletes to bans and loss of earnings, civil prosectuton etc. On that, yeah I'd be more comfortable seeing MP imprisoned for what he did, over a doper being locked up, but I don't wish it--he was a kid. Hopefully he learned from it.

Is a drug like clenbuterol manufactured in the same plant as supplements? Stud, my life is centered around swimming (and running) because those are the sports of choice in the Fort house. Its not hero worship; its practices and meets -- they're rather time consuming. The forum would be dull without posts like Gull's. Fort, I apologised for how that appeared it was not worded to offend those who centre around swimming, you can beat me on the toes with your MF at Zones in retribution. You said hero first though, I know you're not praying to the altar with candles but yeah kids do look up to them, but I don't. I sympathise with your explaining it, but then it's a great lesson for why it's not worth it. It will catch up with you.

Stud - where you've gone off the tracks with your assertions is saying she's a dumb, naive 21 year old. In order for her to obtain the level that she's currently at she has probably been at the elite level since at least age 13 and probably in the pool since many years before that. She also went to school on a swimming scholarship, no small feat there. She has known for at least a half decade not to do drugs and yet with all that knowledge she has decided to do so. The point is she is not dumb nor naive. If all this plays out that she is a doper she has done a very calculated, educated thing strictly for her advantage. The fact that she only tested positive once leads me to believe her program was well run (almost) and designed for both performance and non-detection. She can't be dumb or naive but I don't think adults her age are necessarily known for their judgment either. I see and hear of many college age adults using phenomenally bad judgment with respect to cheating. I'm not excusing her or feeling sorry for her; I am glad she got caught and hope she is penalized to the fullest because of the grief she's caused in a myriad of arenas - but I'm not ready to vilify her either.