Some quick numbers on the new suits

Former Member
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Yes - one more time it's about the suit: Here is a comparison to 2004 and what it took to make top 16 (top 8 for the 400) over the first 7 events: 2004 listed first then 2008 then the approx. % drop 400 IM - 4:24.8 to 4:21.0 1.5% 100 Fly - 1:01.29 to 59.97 2% 400 Free - 3:55.0 to 3:51.4 1.6% 400 IM - 4:49.57 to 4:43.2 2.3% 100 Br - 1:04.0 to 1:02.36 2.5% 100 Bk - 1:04.12 to 1:02.31 2.6% 200 Free - 1:51.1 to 1:48.76 2.2% Ok - to be fair, people are getting faster, but I would guess at least a 1.5% drop across the board for the suit -- that is net time !
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  • Former Member
    Former Member
    Um, Hoff's American Record was set wearing a LZR back in May. Tonight's swim by Ziegler was a personal best. My point is simply that when records aren't broken the suit suddenly disappears as a variable from everyone's arguments. Classic sampling bias: only looking at data that may support your hypothesis. So Ziegler went a personal best at the olympic trials in an event for which she's been training several years. And the suit gets the credit?
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  • Former Member
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    Um, Hoff's American Record was set wearing a LZR back in May. Tonight's swim by Ziegler was a personal best. My point is simply that when records aren't broken the suit suddenly disappears as a variable from everyone's arguments. Classic sampling bias: only looking at data that may support your hypothesis. So Ziegler went a personal best at the olympic trials in an event for which she's been training several years. And the suit gets the credit?
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