Why does MLB prohibit the use of aluminum bats or spitting on baseballs or letting players use steroids (okay - two out of three)? Why does NASCAR prohibit fuel injected engines or certain transmission gear ratios? Why does the PGA disqualify certain golf balls or regulate golf clubs? Why can't basketball players where stilts or use a trampoline? Enough is enough, when a piece of equipment can alter the record books and cheapen the physical accomplishments of every past athlete, it's time to say stop (don't you think?).
The integrity of our sport is on the line here. How about two dolphin kicks for breaststroke or how about adding another arm-stroke to the backstroke turn or allowing IM'ers to turn-over before they touch on the back to *** transition.
I'm against the LZR and any suit that enhances performance and don't think I'll be changing my mind unless they find out swimming naked can make you swim faster.
Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a root canal? His goal: transcend dental medication.
Coach T.
OK so I went to work out this am and after warming up we went into a set of 12 x 100’s (LCM) @ 2:30; 6 x 50 drill/50 swim, 6 x 50 swim/50 tempo followed by 6 x 50’s @ 1:30 tempo.
All I can tell you is this thing is a wetsuit and its going to play a major part in times for us "bigger" guys. Whereas I was going 1:15+ on the swim/tempo 100’s with my HR around 120 (2 beat kick 1st 50/6 beat 2nd), when I put the suit on I was around 1:07+ with a 2 beat kick the entire 100 and HR stayed the same....bottom line is when fatigued in a race without the suit your legs and body position are going to be lower in the water.
On the 50’s without the suit I’m going 200 pace/feel and am around 31+ with a 4 beat kick, with the suit I’m 28/29 with a 2 beat and HR the same. Fly was 33/30.
Its hard to get your mind off the bubbles in the suit on push-offs. Also did 4 starts with it after workout and again a fair amount of air coming in…but after 3 dolphin kicks on free and 9 on fly I was coming up at least 2m further than without the suit.
The reason I went with the PointZero3+ was that the sizing went to "clydesdale"...plus I really am not sure about wearing it for a pool race but did need a new open water skin.
By the way, I spoke with Glenn Mills after he wore the ZeroPoint3+ at the IGLA meet so I went with the same suit....here's his article on the suit:
www.goswim.tv/.../my-blueseventy.html
wow paul,
that's pretty dramatic
going from
1:15's to 1:07's
and
31's to 28/29
you might turn into a workout swimmer
wonder what it will do to your top end race speed
I have no doubt records will fall
I'm going to wear mine in practice a couple times a week for fast swims to get real used to it, because it does feel different.
Ande
OK so I went to work out this am and after warming up we went into a set of 12 x 100’s (LCM) @ 2:30; 6 x 50 drill/50 swim, 6 x 50 swim/50 tempo followed by 6 x 50’s @ 1:30 tempo.
All I can tell you is this thing is a wetsuit and its going to play a major part in times for us "bigger" guys. Whereas I was going 1:15+ on the swim/tempo 100’s with my HR around 120 (2 beat kick 1st 50/6 beat 2nd), when I put the suit on I was around 1:07+ with a 2 beat kick the entire 100 and HR stayed the same....bottom line is when fatigued in a race without the suit your legs and body position are going to be lower in the water.
On the 50’s without the suit I’m going 200 pace/feel and am around 31+ with a 4 beat kick, with the suit I’m 28/29 with a 2 beat and HR the same. Fly was 33/30.
Its hard to get your mind off the bubbles in the suit on push-offs. Also did 4 starts with it after workout and again a fair amount of air coming in…but after 3 dolphin kicks on free and 9 on fly I was coming up at least 2m further than without the suit.
The reason I went with the PointZero3+ was that the sizing went to "clydesdale"...plus I really am not sure about wearing it for a pool race but did need a new open water skin.
By the way, I spoke with Glenn Mills after he wore the ZeroPoint3+ at the IGLA meet so I went with the same suit....here's his article on the suit:
www.goswim.tv/.../my-blueseventy.html
that's pretty dramatic
going from
1:15's to 1:07's
and
31's to 28/29
you might turn into a workout swimmer
Never!
As for the time drops in workout...there is no doubt I was putting some extra effort in but really tried to keep it equal to the swim without the suit. Bottom line is the effort measured by my HR didn't change...
As for FINA approval for use in pools:
"The official FINA letter that approves the pointzero3, the pointzero3+, the nero 10k, and the nero comp swimskins as being legal in all FINA events" is avaiable here: www.blueseventy.com/.../
I tried a point zero3 and even though I got the size recommended for me it was too big.Too big is really bad in these suits as the water goes in down the back and since they are water tight make you just get heavier and heavier.Dennis Baker told me the Nero Comp was a better suit.I called Blue Seventy and they told me to send my suit back and they'd replace it(try doing that with a once worn Speedo.)
All I can tell you is this thing is a wetsuit and its going to play a major part in times for us "bigger" guys. Whereas I was going 1:15+ on the swim/tempo 100’s with my HR around 120 (2 beat kick 1st 50/6 beat 2nd), when I put the suit on I was around 1:07+ with a 2 beat kick the entire 100 and HR stayed the same....bottom line is when fatigued in a race without the suit your legs and body position are going to be lower in the water.
On the 50’s without the suit I’m going 200 pace/feel and am around 31+ with a 4 beat kick, with the suit I’m 28/29 with a 2 beat and HR the same. Fly was 33/30.
uhhh....that's not 2% that's 10%....if that differential exists with respect to the LZR, there could be chaos at Trials...
uhhh....that's not 2% that's 10%....if that differential exists with respect to the LZR, there could be chaos at Trials...
As I said....there was an increased level of effort even though I tried to keep things the same. Full race speed will not have a 10% increase...but I do expect for it to be dramatic.
One other thing about this type of "flotation" device...for big guys like me it really keeps me higher in the water, when your used to swimming SLOW mid season while broken down it should really effect those times.
Understood...even if it's half that for a race....with recent comments by Foster and Hall about the BlueSeventy...will just be interesting to see what Trials competitors do, especially the Speedo swimmers.
This is getting ridiculous!
Kind of funny with all the controversy about availabilty of the Speedo LZR and whether it creates an unfair advantage that it's very likely it isn't even the fastest suit 'available' right now.
guys the point zero 3 + was blue seventy's first swim skin
the nero comp is for pool racing
Does that mean the point zero 3 is not for pool racing? And what is the difference between the point zero 3 and the point zero 3+? Is the 3+ just a later version?
Wow, and they don't come cheap either. I can't imagine spending that much on a swimsuit. To be honest, I don't feel I am good enough to wear one yet. I have only being swimming again for just over a year and I have so many improvements to make on my stroke before I can start worrying about the extra tenths of a second from a suit.
