Why does MLB prohibit the use of aluminum bats or spitting on baseballs or letting players use steroids (okay - two out of three)? Why does NASCAR prohibit fuel injected engines or certain transmission gear ratios? Why does the PGA disqualify certain golf balls or regulate golf clubs? Why can't basketball players where stilts or use a trampoline? Enough is enough, when a piece of equipment can alter the record books and cheapen the physical accomplishments of every past athlete, it's time to say stop (don't you think?).
The integrity of our sport is on the line here. How about two dolphin kicks for breaststroke or how about adding another arm-stroke to the backstroke turn or allowing IM'ers to turn-over before they touch on the back to *** transition.
I'm against the LZR and any suit that enhances performance and don't think I'll be changing my mind unless they find out swimming naked can make you swim faster.
Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a root canal? His goal: transcend dental medication.
Coach T.
Where’s The Water? :shakeshead:
Of all the issues with tech suits, the main thing is that they take away the feel of being in the water and the comfortable aquatic experience of swimming in briefs has been replaced with an ecchy “taking a bath with your clothes on” sensation.
:blah::blah::blah:
"The main thing is that they take away ..."
How do you know? Have you tried one? More than once? How can you make this bald assertion in the face of probably a majority of suit wearers who don't agree with this statement? The fact that you think so doesn't make it true. And I haven't seen anything from you, except ridiculous Rush Limbaugh type opinions and NSR embellishment, that give your statements any credence.
The bottom line is that many masters swimmers use and enjoy these suits. Including cheatin' Smith who, despite his pro-brief rhetoric, wore a rare and coveted TYR suit to defeat the other Smith, who was adorned in a Pro, in the 50 free at Nats.
john
you were one of the few swimmers
who wore a rubber suit at nationals
TYR
my nails are short again
Ande
Actually nylon is superior to polyester for old school mentality and workouts.
Note also.... Compys are the preferred goggle with nylon.
As for the cheatin' rubber suits........ I'm inclined to agree with tomtopo.
Enough is enough. Mens suits should be no more than regular jammers.
I watch the sport to see the battle, the win and whomever's finger nail touches the wall first. This is what is important ..... not the technological advantage.
(no comment on Ande's vampire nails)
John Smith
So, you have tried on a USED tech suit on land but haven't used it for swimming? Yet, you feel compelled to speak on their use in the water? What, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
There's nothing old school about disliking the natural progression of sport and technology. That's old fool.
So I tried it on just for the hell of it. The initial feeling (of having most of my bare body wrapped in close-fitting clothing) was so lousy that I didn’t even bother getting in the pool.
Just as I suspected. All bark, no bite.
Of all the issues with tech suits, the main thing is that they take away the feel of being in the water and the comfortable aquatic experience of swimming in briefs has been replaced with an ecchy “taking a bath with your clothes on” sensation. Covering 95% of your body with waterproof material is completely antithetical to the concept of swimming and that alone is enough to toss the body suit idea out the window.
You may have addressed this in another post, but have you actually tried a technical suit?
I know a 13 year old with one. But seems unlikely. Must be confusing it with the Pro or something? Although even Pros don't sell for that little with discounts.
No way are they getting it for $160 though.
Maybe they got it from the same place where you can get a gold Rolex for $25 on the Internet?
Once again Dolphin pulls a Rush Limbaugh and says whatever he wants, whether the facts agree or not.
1. Mechanized spectacle? Fast suit or not Phelps looks like Phelps. Dara Torres freestyle is beautiful no matter what she wears. If I buy a LZR I won't become a top 10 Master swimmer. And any comparison to the technology-challenged NASCAR is ridiculous.
2. Money under the table? Please tell us how you know this. These companies are of course motivated most to sell more suits. What is FINA interested in? Expanding the appeal of the sport. Serious corruption would cause FINA to require the suits be worn.
3. No one has a 95% coverage suit. Thorpe was one of the few that wore a suit ankles to wrist. The LZR's highest coverage is the highneck bodyskin which leaves the arms and shoulders free to feel the water.
Brent Rushall has an amazing article on bodysuits coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../2008suit.htm
Personally I think the guy is extremely long winded and off track on much of his information in the article.
The rubber suit helps....... there is NO DOUBT about it. Flotation and body compression are real factors. They are not imagined. Some may not like the feel of it compared to traditional speedo briefs...... but the end results are obvious and clearly faster.
Now..... are they cheating......?......... depends if you are old school. I am convinced they are "equipment" and all WR times with them should have an asterisk next to them. Note: My 50 free (21.1) is probably the same time or slower than Paul's former NR time (21.29) and he used a regular full body..... not that Masters swimming matters.
John Smith
You may have addressed this in another post, but have you actually tried a technical suit?
Hey Gull:
I’m an “aquaphile” and I took swimming and w-polo in high school P.E. especially because I liked the feel of being in the water and I don’t like anything that dulls that sensation. Hence, the idea of wearing a tech suit (or even plain jammers) gets a thumbs down for me. :bitching:
However, one of the guys on the team that I now help manage (but not actually swim on) had one of the Fastskins so I tried it on just for the hell of it. :2cents:
The initial feeling (of having most of my bare body wrapped in close-fitting clothing) was so lousy that I didn’t even bother getting in the pool. In fact, I wouldn’t even wear a tech suit for a land-based activity (much less for swimming) and these tech suits are a perfect example of the old saying “Good For Nothing”. :bitching:
Dolphin 2
