FS 2, or FS PRO?

hey j, I've worn them all I prefer the hineck pro I wrote about them in this swim faster faster tip www.usms.org/.../showpost.php here's where I've found good prices, much lower than $450 Mens Full Body http://tinyurl.com/yu2hwd Mens LegSkins http://tinyurl.com/25hzh4 Mens Jammers http://tinyurl.com/2wree6 Womens Full body http://tinyurl.com/264te8 Womens http://tinyurl.com/3hyo4f If you're pressed for time before a meet I'd order a couple different sizes, keep the one that fits best and return the other rather than ordering the wrong size, risk it not fitting, then having to return it for a replacement, and then that replacement not arriving in time to wear at the meet you got it for in the first place. the goal is to get the suit you're going to wear in your meet at least a week or 2 before the meet starts so you can try it on at home and test it out in practice LZR's looks like LZR's won't be available till late july (they are delayed) LZRs can be faster but they have issues like What size to wear several swimmers are wearing a couple sizes down also keep in mind that the suit has sections that are like papersuit fabric and sections that are papersuit fabric with rubber over them the rubber sections hardly stretch at all so any give the suit has is due to the papersuit sections between rubber panels They can be hard to get on. Zippers Break I've personally seen 3 hineck LZR zippers break at meets one in a race in all cases the hineck LZR was zipped up (on tall men) and the teeth broke apart It was quite difficult to pull the zippers back to the base I've heard good things about the new generation of TYR suits I'd like to test both and see which one produces the best times. hope this helps Ande I tried on the FS PRO today, it was very tight... even the XXL was tight, although I think the XL will work fine... but, but... it just seems like a full body paper suit... versus the FS 2 which has all the cool material, etc.. Which one is better? $450 dollars is the price here, is there a better way to order it? I'd rather wait for the LZR in the fall if that's the best I can do.

Yes, thank you Ande... hey j, I've worn them all I prefer the hineck pro I wrote about them in this swim faster faster tip www.usms.org/.../showpost.php here's where I've found good prices, much lower than $450 Mens Full Body http://tinyurl.com/yu2hwd Mens LegSkins http://tinyurl.com/25hzh4 Mens Jammers http://tinyurl.com/2wree6 Womens Full body http://tinyurl.com/264te8 Womens http://tinyurl.com/3hyo4f looks like LZR's won't be available till late july (they are delayed) LZRs can be faster but they have issues Like what size to wear several swimmers are wearing a couple sizes down Zippers Break I've personally seen 3 hineck LZR zippers break at meets one in a race in all cases the hineck LZR was zipped up (on tall men) and the teeth broke apart It was quite difficult to pull the zippers back to the base If you're pressed for time before a meet I'd order a couple different sizes, keep the one that fits best and return the other rather than order the wrong size, risk it not fitting, and having to return it for a better fit. the goal is to get the suit you're going to wear in your meet at least a week or 2 before the meet starts hope this helps Ande

due to this suit technology stuff, swimming has undergone a complete metamorphosis from a simple, comfortable, and affordable athletic art into a hyper-competitive monstrosity. Even granting your assumption -- that swimming is a "monstrosity" that is overly competitive, compared to the sunny days in the 70s when apparently people swam naked and didn't care if they won or not -- IMO the tech suits are a reflection and not a cause at all. It seems to me that youth sports have gotten incredibly intense in the last few decades, not just swimming. Combine this with skyrocketing pool fees, which help drive up the cost of the sport, and the advent of the post-college professional swimmer, and you have the makings of your "monstrosity." I would agree that swimming is faster than ever. I do not think this is a bad thing, and I think the contribution of the suits to this fact is minor compared to many other factors.

Tech Suits are a reality Can you to afford to give up the time in a race a good tech suit can save you? once LZR's are available, I'm sure that many masters will spring for one FS Pro's, FS II's, & FS I's are very good and affordable. I still haven't decided if I'm going to get an LZR, but I definitely want to try one, do a fast swim and write about it for y'all.

i can answer for the tyr tracer lite. recently wore an fspro kneeskin and a tracer lite at y nats. the fs pro stretched a little ( i think i took a comfy size) the tracer lite was a tank. it did not stretch at all and reminded me of my paper suit days. the longer suits may fit different. also regarding the tank , it rides up on breaststroke.

Hey Chris While swimming is truly a fine athletic art, it is also the slowest of any sport. Compared with track events, even fast swimming is the moral equivalent of "plate tectonics". Although the statistics (as measured in percentages) indicate that swimming has become faster over the past 10 years, it is still a very low velocity sport. If sheer speed is the only objective, I would go into some land based activity like the 400 meter run. Unfortunately, athletics has turned into some kind of Freudian exercise in which people obtain gratification through the connotation of superiority instead of making true achievements in their personal or career life. Sports has also become a manifestation of international militarism such as the arms race during the cold war era. Like people throwing away big $$$ on expensive sports cars just for the emotional thrill of being faster on the street, this suit technology craze seems to be an example of how Freudianism has crept its way into swimming. Unless they are swimming in $$$ (no pun intended), any Average Joe who would shell out over $450 for an LZR has a very serious problem with managing their personal finances and they will ultimately wind up drowning in debt (another pun not intended). However I bet the suit makers are hysterically laughing their way to the bank with the big bucks they’ve made off all the suckers who fell for this suit technology craze!!! :lmao::lmao::lmao: Dolphin 2

Are you similarly judgemental about other expensive things people spend their money on? Watches? Electronics? Shoes? Music? Art? Musical instruments? Like totally. Music was so much better in the 70s when you had an eight track. These kids with their iPods don't know what is real anymore. Watches? Pshaw. In the 70s we just used a sundial.

Dolphin 2, I had a very long response but after rereading your post, I realized that it would be like wrestling with a pig. I'd just get dirty and the pig would enjoy it. Just an absolutely incredible load of pedantic crap. Paul

Hey Chris While swimming is truly a fine athletic art, it is also the slowest of any sport. Compared with track events, even fast swimming is the moral equivalent of "plate tectonics". Although the statistics (as measured in percentages) indicate that swimming has become faster over the past 10 years, it is still a very low velocity sport. If sheer speed is the only objective, I would go into some land based activity like the 400 meter run. Unfortunately, athletics has turned into some kind of Freudian exercise in which people obtain gratification through the connotation of superiority instead of making true achievements in their personal or career life. Sports has also become a manifestation of international militarism such as the arms race during the cold war era. Like people throwing away big $$$ on expensive sports cars just for the emotional thrill of being faster on the street, this suit technology craze seems to be an example of how Freudianism has crept its way into swimming. Unless they are swimming in $$$ (no pun intended), any Average Joe who would shell out over $450 for an LZR has a very serious problem with managing their personal finances and they will ultimately wind up drowning in debt (another pun not intended). However I bet the suit makers are hysterically laughing their way to the bank with the big bucks they’ve made off all the suckers who fell for this suit technology craze!!! :lmao::lmao::lmao: Dolphin 2 Yeah, there's a bunch of real suckers holding USMS records and Top Ten rankings wearing these suits. They have no idea what they're doing ... "Judgmental" is rather mild for this post. Where do you get "connotations of superiority exactly?" Quite a leap ... Sounds like you have a superiority complex from your decision NOT to wear the suit. Jonathan: I like the Pro better. It's much lighter and it's supposed to fit very very tight. I'd order a size down from an FS I or FS II.

Hey Chris While swimming is truly a fine athletic art, it is also the slowest of any sport. Compared with track events, even fast swimming is the moral equivalent of "plate tectonics". Although the statistics (as measured in percentages) indicate that swimming has become faster over the past 10 years, it is still a very low velocity sport. If sheer speed is the only objective, I would go into some land based activity like the 400 meter run. Unfortunately, athletics has turned into some kind of Freudian exercise in which people obtain gratification through the connotation of superiority instead of making true achievements in their personal or career life. Sports has also become a manifestation of international militarism such as the arms race during the cold war era. Like people throwing away big $$$ on expensive sports cars just for the emotional thrill of being faster on the street, this suit technology craze seems to be an example of how Freudianism has crept its way into swimming. Unless they are swimming in $$$ (no pun intended), any Average Joe who would shell out over $450 for an LZR has a very serious problem with managing their personal finances and they will ultimately wind up drowning in debt (another pun not intended). However I bet the suit makers are hysterically laughing their way to the bank with the big bucks they’ve made off all the suckers who fell for this suit technology craze!!! :lmao::lmao::lmao: Dolphin 2 Much of this seems incredibly judgemental. Who are you to say that an Average Joe buying a LZR has a serious problem? Maybe some Serious Joes think swimming very fast is very important. As for fast cars - people have enjoyed them since cars existed. To these people it is not throwing away big $$$. Are you similarly judgemental about other expensive things people spend their money on? Watches? Electronics? Shoes? Music? Art? Musical instruments?