How to get stronger

I must say that this thread has gone way off the rails... Can we all get along?

I must say that this thread has gone way off the rails... Can we all get along? Your correct. I've deleted my last post. Train smart, swim fast...end of discussion.

Your correct. I've deleted my last post. Too late! I read that Laura accepted your marriage proposal when drunk! What's with this "your correct" stuff, eh? lol I thought you went to UCSB for an education! BTW, water polo looks like a great sport. I think my kid would like it more than swimming.

I'm not comparing you or anyone else here to anyone, touchy aren't we. I am saying that for those who are interested in training/competing you look at the best and what they do...and you adapt. Maybe if you came to a few masters meet not only would you be able to quit whining about not having you times recognized by USMS (or wait, you said that wasn't important) you'd see women in their 30's, 40's & 50's that understand this type of thinking/training and do quite well. Ever met Liz Hobbs...take a look at her times, ever met my wife? She gives Dara a run for he money in the "guns" department, Anna Scott? Kim Crouch? Caroline Krattli? All these women train as I have been describing, are ripped, fast and beautiful. Woa! Touchy is one thing. How come it's so easy to get your panties in such a wad? Just b/c I'm not like you and prefer to do my own thing when it comes to my hobby? Accuracy is your middle name I see. I have no USMS recognized times as I don't attend Masters meets. Just as you are in the know with how we women train (and think for that matter! :lmao:) and how masters swimmers should train, you have my stats 100% accurate. How's this for a land gridge? I quit whining about Top 10s not counting and you quit your crying about people who don't actually want to be like you and train as you do. Let's see who caves first. You had your chance and you swam your brains out as a youth. Why condemn those of us who are healthy and feeling great and who never had that opportunity to try (gasp!) a few workouts over 5K? Why deny us the lessons we learn about ourselves and life in those tough practices? I'm sure when I'm your age I'll want to switch to your 4x a week of swimming, weight lifting, and cross training. Oh wait. :dunno: That sounds like a heck of lot more work than I'm doing which is just swimming. Somehow in your mind that equates to "less." "Less is more" is a nice sound bite. I think I'll stick to my easier routine! You are right. I've not met your lovely wife, but I would love to.

I agree with that. I started to look like tank woman. No thanks. I love the men telling the women to throw away the scale and lift more. Natalie and Lacey are both tiny (compared to me) and more importantly, in their 20s. And they are very elite swimmers. Can't really compare myself to them. I think it would be much more relevant to compare SVDL to us masters women. It's a different ballgame when you reach 30s and 40s and beyond starting with a slower metabolism. Gary Hall, last I checked, is a guy. (S)he you've made it very clear that your perfectly comfortable and set in what your doing and are happy with the results....oh wait you tell us you don't care about results...but wait you post your times and rankings...oh wait those don't matter because they are USMS times rankings and you train with kids...but oh wait you want to compare yourself to SVDL...but wait she trains only 3x a week and completely the opposite of how you do...and God forbid a guy offering training advice mention a scale around you...but we keep seeing those glamour shot avatars....:mooning: Here's the deal, regardless of age, sex, whatever if your training and competing in my opinion you look at and emulate whats successful for the elite athletes in that sport. And the bottom line is the kind of training that sprint oriented swimmers are doing and showing the most results...without looking like body builders by any stretch of the imagination...involves power/strength training.

Paul and Kristina, All the multiple, multiple top ten swims and number one rankings between the both of you is just proof that there is no ONE single way to get 'r done. On a side note, very nice 4:41 400 FR LCM last weekend, Kristina. Blew all the boys out of the pool (top ten candidates, too!) Your correct. I've deleted my last post. Train smart, swim fast...end of discussion.

Throw away the scale Fort. Lifting heavier and trying to develop more explosive power (combined with a good swim program and diet) will create more definition and you will most likely add some weight as muscle is denser than fat. I agree with that. I started to look like tank woman. No thanks. I love the men telling the women to throw away the scale and lift more. Not sure why there is so much skepticism here...do you think Natalie Coughlin is "big"? How about lacey Nymeyer? Gary Hall Jr.? look at any elite athlete swimming the same events you do and tell me they are "big"? And trust me they are almost all lifting this way.... Natalie and Lacey are both tiny (compared to me) and more importantly, in their 20s. And they are very elite swimmers. Can't really compare myself to them. I think it would be much more relevant to compare SVDL to us masters women. It's a different ballgame when you reach 30s and 40s and beyond starting with a slower metabolism. Gary Hall, last I checked, is a guy.

Don't make me get my guns out!! :duel:

I agree with that. I started to look like tank woman. No thanks. This is ridiculous. You know what's making you go from one side of the pool to the other over and over again every day? Your muscles. No matter how you train, or what events you want to do, your muscles are actually making the performances happen. Without muscle, there is no movement at all. With more muscle, there is more strength, more power, and more speed. Men swim faster than women because of muscle. Cheaters take steroids because of muscle. And you're afraid of it?

(S)he you've made it very clear that your perfectly comfortable and set in what your doing and are happy with the results I've made significant changes to how I train and work out, hence my dropping 15 seconds in a 400 free in 10 months. oh wait you tell us you don't care about results Incorrect. I've said that having fun and being fit (for me at least) come way before end results, meaning times. but wait you post your times and rankings When asked. oh wait those don't matter because they are USMS times rankings and you train with kids I do train with the kids and I'm loving every minute. Sorry?! :thhbbb: but oh wait you want to compare yourself to SVDL... No. You wanted to compare masters women swimmers to Lacey and Natalie. SVDL seems like a more relevant comparison time wise. Do I want to train as she does? No? However, her times, although still out of my league, are still closer than if I compare myself to Natalie. And her workouts, if I chose to do them, would be more possible than doing what Natalie and Lacey do. and God forbid a guy offering training advice mention a scale around you If it's correct training advice, mention the scale. I guarantee you there are plenty of women out there who don't like the scale mentioned. but we keep seeing those glamour shot avatars....:mooning: Where's yours? And more to come on my end. :laugh2: Here's the deal, regardless of age, sex, whatever if your training and competing in my opinion you look at and emulate whats successful for the elite athletes in that sport. And the bottom line is the kind of training that sprint oriented swimmers are doing and showing the most results...without looking like body builders by any stretch of the imagination...involves power/strength training. Whatever. You compare us to Lacey and Natalie. But wait, we aren't to put in their kind of yardage. That would be crazy. But wait. We are to train in the weight room like they are. And we'll be as lean as they are and not overly bulky. At 30 and 40 and 50, etc. Uh uh.