As I crawled back into the pool today fat and out of shape, I wondered: Don't sprinters need some minimal aerobic work? I see that Ande is doing none whatsoever and Paul advises not "fighting fat" in the pool. I do a lot of race pace training and cross training. But still, is just a little aerobic work called for? I can tell I don't need any for 50s, but my 100s could use a little something. I don't think I have the substantial swimming aerobic base that people like Ande have because I was out of the pool for so many years .. So I'm either taking my 100s out too slow for fear of dying or actually dying. Does aerobic work help counter this? Or do I need more lactate work such as doing 100s with huge amounts of rest?
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Why they were blowing chow into the pool filtration system is beyond me.
That's generally a sure sign that you have pushed yourself to the extreme limit, and probably a bit beyond.
I suppose, and there is the entertainment factor, I guess. Still, that can't be good for the esophagus.
Actually, I think the best way to improve your 100 is to do this set.
I guess I'm just an old fuddy-duddy but this is pretty gross...remind me to cross Auburn off my son's school list in 10 years...
Well...in 10 years...that coaching staff may not be there either. So, that's a bit premature to cross a good swimming school off the list.
Personally, I found the set quite fun to watch. Brett Hawke wrote a letter on flocast explaining what happened.
They guys on the team seemed to be having fun with it as well.
True high maintenance sprinters are incapable of training their brains out. Not an option for them.
I'd like to see the Gatorade run performed with women. Any women up for joining me say the end of a nats meet? And actually, it would be rather entertaining to switch out the Gatorade for cups of beer. . . :laugh2::laugh2:
Then I'm not a high maintenance sprinter! I have to be careful or I'll injure myself with excess training. I feel like I just got a "get out of jail free" card now that taper is over. Did a nice 1000 yard aerobic set today during my swim ... after a 5 mile run. :)
(S)he, I'm not doing any contests with you now that the personality conversion is complete!
the point is
if you don't train properly for sprints
you won't achieve your potential
you might be able to come close
but you could lose a several 10th's of a second
swimmers like Lochte & Phelps are very fast
but their
50's aren't as great as their 100's and their
100's aren't as great as their 200's
the mark of a middle distance swimmer is
take their 100 time
double it then
add 6 seconds and you have a time close to their 200 time
the mark of a sprinter is
take their 100 time
double it then
add 12 to 16 seconds and you have a time close to their 200 time
I used to be a double my 100 and add 9 to 11 seconds kind of guy
I swam with a distance swimmer where you take his
100 time
double it then add
4 seconds
58 - - - - > 2:00
ande
the point is
if you don't train properly for sprints
you won't achieve your potential
you might be able to come close
but you could lose a several 10th's of a second
Do you think "sprints" include both 50s and 100s? I always thought they did, although I feel like the 100 fly is an endurance event, especially in meters. I always though of 50s specialists like Jazz as "drop dead sprinters." (Jazz needs to come give Warren some competition in the "Battle of the Drop Dead Sprinters" at the GMU Sprint Classic!)
So if one does some aerobic work, do you think that's "not training properly?"
I now where I'm losing several tenths of a second right off the bat -- whimpy weight lifting.
The other reason for at least some aerobic/base training is 10 swims over 3-4 days at a masters nationals...who wasn't feeling tired by their 5th or 6th race let alone $10?
I think JS needed emergency first aid after his 50 back showdown with Clay and his relay leadoff less than an hour away...sadly none of us were will to assist.
Now, let's be honest here (S)he. Your answer CLEARLY is E: Forget sprinting, and train your brains out.
My option is not listed.
It is, "What do these boys know anyway?" :joker::joker:
Review the advice given, but create your own plan that you enjoy and believe in. That will work.
the mark of a middle distance swimmer is
take their 100 time
double it then
add 6 seconds and you have a time close to their 200 time
the mark of a sprinter is
take their 100 time
double it then
add 12 to 16 seconds and you have a time close to their 200 time
Well, I'm still a sprinter by one metric anyways. 14 seconds, and that's with a "decent" 200 this year.
The extension does change for me in a 50. It is above the water and not as much as I do when I swim distance.
But there is so little difference in the stroke you would barely notice it. I don't place the hands in and extend when I sprint. It makes just a little bit more of a splash ad it I start the catch much sooner when sprinting.
The secret of swimming a fast 50 is to power swim and don't breathe have a good dive and a good turn and don't over analyse.
