Warren,
I hope Ian wins the 100 fly but Phelps has an amazing finish
Ian is going to have to go out faster than ever then hold him off on the 2nd 50, Michael could come home under 26, hasn't he been 26.2 or 3
let's not hand the 4 x 100 relay title to the frogs or the roos just yet
without seeing how fast the American's are at Trials
after all American ends with "I CAN"
I don't think any American swimmer has really peaked
like they will peak for olympic trials
I think we are going to see some amazing times at trials
Before the LZR I thought top 6 would take 48.6
I bet it takes a 48.2 or 3 to make top 6 now and for the sake of American swimming I hope it takes under 48 to make top 2
There's about 10 to 12 who are serious contenders
1) lezak,
2) phelps,
3) lochte,
4) walters,
5) grevers,
6) jones,
7) wildman,
8) weber gale
9) berens
10) walker
11) adrian
12 ) nick brunelli
usaswimming.org/.../m_100fr.pdf
Phelps won't get lucky in the 100 fly again. I don't think he can win in backstroke either. And France or Australia will win the 4x100 free relay.
so that leaves
200 fly
200 im
400 im
200 free
4 x 100 medley
4 x 200 free
Thats 6 golds
Don’t worry about Phelps eclipsing Mark Spitz’s record.
All Phelps has to do is wear the next generation silicone coated, polymerically engineered, body compressing, drag reducing suit from Speedo, Nike, Arena, etc., and he will become the greatest swimmer of all time.
And everyone will be OOOOOing and AWWWWing over another Dumbed-Down "achievement" thanks to technologically assisted swimming. :shakeshead:
Is Piersol still in it? I haven't been keeping track of the guys lately...
:confused:
He is.
But Lochte holds the 200 record now...and Phelps just barely missed the 100.
Piersol's records seemed untouchable until this past year.
Don’t worry about Phelps eclipsing Mark Spitz’s record.
All Phelps has to do is wear the next generation silicone coated, polymerically engineered, body compressing, drag reducing suit from Speedo, Nike, Arena, etc., and he will become the greatest swimmer of all time.
And everyone will be OOOOOing and AWWWWing over another Dumbed-Down "achievement" thanks to technologically assisted swimming. :shakeshead:
This comment would be relevent only if Phelps had these advantages and no one else did. However he will be wearing the same super-suit that everyone else will be wearing. So Phelps' accomplishments in Beijing, whatever they are, will stand on their own. Phelps will win or not based on his training and ability to perform on the big stage.
The swimsuit has nothing to do with his workouts, nor his incredible versatility. I was a huge Spitz fan, but Phelps is a world class swimmer in every stroke (including breaststroke).
Phelps won't get lucky in the 100 fly again. I don't think he can win in backstroke either. And France or Australia will win the 4x100 free relay.
so that leaves
200 fly
200 im
400 im
200 free
4 x 100 meadly
4 x 200 free
Thats 6 golds
This comment would be relevent only if Phelps had these advantages and no one else did. However he will be wearing the same super-suit that everyone else will be wearing. So Phelps' accomplishments in Beijing, whatever they are, will stand on their own. Phelps will win or not based on his training and ability to perform on the big stage.
The swimsuit has nothing to do with his workouts, nor his incredible versatility. I was a huge Spitz fan, but Phelps is a world class swimmer in every stroke (including breaststroke).
I (and many, many others) have posed this question before: If the suit does NOT provide any swimmer with an advantage over another (and everyone is in fact competing on a level playing field), what is really being achieved (except adding NASCAR appeal to swimming) by introducing all these mechanical aids in the first place?
On the other hand, if tech suits DO provide an advantage, then that's a No-No and another nail in the coffin for these suits.
In both of these cases, the logical solution is to just go back to Square 1 and have FINA dispense with tech suits altogether. Then go back to having everyone wearing simple briefs and the swimmer with the best body and atheletic mind will still win.
However, the main difference is that the world records (for a given distance and technique) themselves may not have been broken at the rate they have been prior to low drag suits being brought into the game.
Be the same reasoning, one thing that I have a problem with is the suit manufacturers boasting how a world's record was set with their suit. We are looking at who really is the best at swimming -not which company is the best at making faster swim suits.
Happy swimming
Dolphin 2 :)
I (and many, many others) have posed this question before: If the suit does NOT provide any swimmer with an advantage over another (and everyone is in fact competing on a level playing field), what is really being achieved (except adding NASCAR appeal to swimming) by introducing all these mechanical aids in the first place?
On the other hand, if tech suits DO provide an advantage, then that's a No-No and another nail in the coffin for these suits.
In both of these cases, the logical solution is to just go back to Square 1 and have FINA dispense with tech suits altogether. Then go back to having everyone wearing simple briefs and the swimmer with the best body and atheletic mind will still win.
However, the main difference is that the world records (for a given distance and technique) themselves may not have been broken at the rate they have been prior to low drag suits being brought into the game.
Be the same reasoning, one thing that I have a problem with is the suit manufacturers boasting how a world's record was set with their suit. We are looking at who really is the best at swimming -not which company is the best at making faster swim suits.
Happy swimming
Dolphin 2 :)
I think this thread is about Phelps - not the suit. My point is that his medal achievements at the Olympics, whatever they turn out to be, will not happen because of the LZR. If the LZR is as good as it seems - we should see world records everywhere from many different swimmers.
It sounds like your question is really: If the suit offers the same advantage to all swimmers why do it at all? A leap in speed may occur - which for a point in time will advance world records. But once everyone has the suit equilibrium will occur and the playing field is equal once again.
My single biggest beef with high performance suits is raising the cost of swimming for age group swimmers. There is no doubt parents will be pressured to buy these suits for their young swimmers. I would like to see USA-S simply disallow their use except for national meets.
Warren,
There's about 10 to 12 who are serious contenders
1) lezak,
2) phelps,
3) lochte,
4) walters,
5) grevers,
6) jones,
7) wildman,
8) weber gale
9) berens
10) walker
11) adrian
12 ) nick brunelli
usaswimming.org/.../m_100fr.pdf
Another one who intrigues me is Righi. Did you see what he put down at NCAAs this Spring? He hasn't done much in LC, but he has improved so much in the last 12 months, it will be interesting if he can step up and surprise some people. He was in the shadows of Cielo, but had an awesome 50 and 100.
