Either way, I didn't know Dara was taking so many supplements... I'm firmly against arginine, and nitrogen oxide... just my philosophy...
Although isolated protien is very helpful, and this is where the discussion goes a little sideways... Isolated protien is essentially engineered food, it doesn't occur "naturally". Yet, it isn't really "natural" to even train as obsessively as most ahletes do.. Yet, this isn't banned.
Hmmm, I'm not sure what your use of quotes around natural implies. It seems to me to have different meanings in each sentence, and so the argument relies on some rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Whereas "naturally occurring" in the first part of the argument implies something produced through nature-as-a-force, "natural" in the second sentence, I think, is a commonly used synonym for "normal", a social construct.
Do you mean that it's not normal for some athletes to train as obsessively as they do? In a relatively sedentary society, it's not normal. But it's perfectly natural, in a genetic sense.
From a nature-as-a-force standpoint, humans are pretty well adapted to endurance training, and being an endurance predator may have served our species well at some point. Not that it takes much endurance these days to hit the Taco Bell drive-thru for fourthmeal, but our genes have much longer memories than our brains.
Couple that with the fact that it's natural, from an evolutionary standpoint, for some people to compete against themselves and others, and it's easy to see how training can turn into a lifestyle choice (not natural-as-normal, by some standards).
I think that the argument falls apart if you equalize the use of the word "natural".
Maybe this is just a long-winded way of saying what the quotation marks implied... :dunno:
Either way, I didn't know Dara was taking so many supplements... I'm firmly against arginine, and nitrogen oxide... just my philosophy...
Although isolated protien is very helpful, and this is where the discussion goes a little sideways... Isolated protien is essentially engineered food, it doesn't occur "naturally". Yet, it isn't really "natural" to even train as obsessively as most ahletes do.. Yet, this isn't banned.
Hmmm, I'm not sure what your use of quotes around natural implies. It seems to me to have different meanings in each sentence, and so the argument relies on some rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Whereas "naturally occurring" in the first part of the argument implies something produced through nature-as-a-force, "natural" in the second sentence, I think, is a commonly used synonym for "normal", a social construct.
Do you mean that it's not normal for some athletes to train as obsessively as they do? In a relatively sedentary society, it's not normal. But it's perfectly natural, in a genetic sense.
From a nature-as-a-force standpoint, humans are pretty well adapted to endurance training, and being an endurance predator may have served our species well at some point. Not that it takes much endurance these days to hit the Taco Bell drive-thru for fourthmeal, but our genes have much longer memories than our brains.
Couple that with the fact that it's natural, from an evolutionary standpoint, for some people to compete against themselves and others, and it's easy to see how training can turn into a lifestyle choice (not natural-as-normal, by some standards).
I think that the argument falls apart if you equalize the use of the word "natural".
Maybe this is just a long-winded way of saying what the quotation marks implied... :dunno:
