Can anyone answer this? Maybe someone from the Austin meet?
First question:
What is the story on relay and individual splits? I tried to get my splits to count from a backstroke leadoff on the mixed medley, and the 50 free off my 100 free event. Both were legal finishes and appear in the final results.
When I tried to fill out a split form, everyone from the volunteer handing me the form, to the 3 officials at my race end told me I didn't need it and all the splits, particularly the free events, would be "uploaded automatically". This seems to be true in the case of records, but I am interested in a "real" time for my 50's and simply have my 50 times "official".
Second question:
Did I totally miss the boat? Here is a cut & paste from the meet information about our times to count for USA SWIMS database:
"TIME VERIFICATION (FORMERLY OVCs)
Swimmers needing verification of time(s) or wish their times to be entered into the USA Swimming SWIMS Database (for entry into USA-S national meets) should complete a form at the meet and prior to the swim. Contact the Administrative Referee at the meet."
Is it really, really too late for this? I already have Sectional cuts for TX Senior Circuit, but both my indiv & 50 split on the 100 made the automatic cut. It would be really, really nice to have the times count, that so I can enter TSC #3 and do all the 4 x 50's with the "1 automatic cut = any event under 200" rule.
I emailed Ann Nellis (I think) at meet.admin@austin.utexas.edu but no reply back yet.
Anyone know if there is anything I can still do to get those times to count?
Patrick,
it is apparently (we'll see if it works out that way!) this part that has changed as a result of Walt Reid's new contribution.
I was forcefully told at the clerk of course table that I needn't fill out a form to have a split considered for Top Ten but, if I was old fashioned, I could anyway. So, I filled out one form and left one split unrequested to see if the automatic system would indeed work.
There's no reason you couldn't do it this way for individual free, ***, fly, and IM leadoffs, since nothing special has to be observed and paid attention to. That being said, just like in USA Swimming, the rule does indicate that for the time to be official, the split must be requested:
103.13.1 An official time shall be achieved in a USMS-sanctioned competition or -recognized event in accordance with all applicable rules. It may be achieved in: ...
B An initial distance within a longer event or relay, provided the swimmer:
(1) Notifies the meet referee in writing of the intent to record an initial split time prior to the conclusion of the meet,
(2) Makes the written request prior to the swim for relay leadoff splits and for initial backstroke distances in individual backstroke events,
(3) Completes the initial distance with a legal finish and
(4) Completes the event without being disqualified.
And 105.2.2B also says that "n an individual event other than backstroke, the request to have a split time recorded is brought in writing to the attention of the meet referee prior to the conclusion of the meet"
Now why should it matter if this process is being expedited to make things go quicker and easier? The concern I would have is that this ought to be applied to EVERY meet, not just Nationals or some meets. Otherwise, it's not really fair or equitable--and I'm not particularly sure that electronic results (i.e., CL2/HY3 or Meet Manager backups) are available for every meet, which means that some meets would need split request forms and some wouldn't.
But don't get me wrong--I think this is a good idea in the grand scheme of things that makes for a better consideration to Top 10 times. But unless that's the rule applied at all meets, I'm certainly not in favor of it.
Patrick King
Patrick,
it is apparently (we'll see if it works out that way!) this part that has changed as a result of Walt Reid's new contribution.
I was forcefully told at the clerk of course table that I needn't fill out a form to have a split considered for Top Ten but, if I was old fashioned, I could anyway. So, I filled out one form and left one split unrequested to see if the automatic system would indeed work.
There's no reason you couldn't do it this way for individual free, ***, fly, and IM leadoffs, since nothing special has to be observed and paid attention to. That being said, just like in USA Swimming, the rule does indicate that for the time to be official, the split must be requested:
103.13.1 An official time shall be achieved in a USMS-sanctioned competition or -recognized event in accordance with all applicable rules. It may be achieved in: ...
B An initial distance within a longer event or relay, provided the swimmer:
(1) Notifies the meet referee in writing of the intent to record an initial split time prior to the conclusion of the meet,
(2) Makes the written request prior to the swim for relay leadoff splits and for initial backstroke distances in individual backstroke events,
(3) Completes the initial distance with a legal finish and
(4) Completes the event without being disqualified.
And 105.2.2B also says that "n an individual event other than backstroke, the request to have a split time recorded is brought in writing to the attention of the meet referee prior to the conclusion of the meet"
Now why should it matter if this process is being expedited to make things go quicker and easier? The concern I would have is that this ought to be applied to EVERY meet, not just Nationals or some meets. Otherwise, it's not really fair or equitable--and I'm not particularly sure that electronic results (i.e., CL2/HY3 or Meet Manager backups) are available for every meet, which means that some meets would need split request forms and some wouldn't.
But don't get me wrong--I think this is a good idea in the grand scheme of things that makes for a better consideration to Top 10 times. But unless that's the rule applied at all meets, I'm certainly not in favor of it.
Patrick King
