Can anyone answer this? Maybe someone from the Austin meet?
First question:
What is the story on relay and individual splits? I tried to get my splits to count from a backstroke leadoff on the mixed medley, and the 50 free off my 100 free event. Both were legal finishes and appear in the final results.
When I tried to fill out a split form, everyone from the volunteer handing me the form, to the 3 officials at my race end told me I didn't need it and all the splits, particularly the free events, would be "uploaded automatically". This seems to be true in the case of records, but I am interested in a "real" time for my 50's and simply have my 50 times "official".
Second question:
Did I totally miss the boat? Here is a cut & paste from the meet information about our times to count for USA SWIMS database:
"TIME VERIFICATION (FORMERLY OVCs)
Swimmers needing verification of time(s) or wish their times to be entered into the USA Swimming SWIMS Database (for entry into USA-S national meets) should complete a form at the meet and prior to the swim. Contact the Administrative Referee at the meet."
Is it really, really too late for this? I already have Sectional cuts for TX Senior Circuit, but both my indiv & 50 split on the 100 made the automatic cut. It would be really, really nice to have the times count, that so I can enter TSC #3 and do all the 4 x 50's with the "1 automatic cut = any event under 200" rule.
I emailed Ann Nellis (I think) at meet.admin@austin.utexas.edu but no reply back yet.
Anyone know if there is anything I can still do to get those times to count?
For individual freestyle, breaststroke, and butterfly (and the IM butterfly leadoff), you can request an initial split at any time before the end of the meet. 103.13.1B(1).
For individual backstroke, you MUST request your initial split BEFORE the heat. 103.13.1B(2). This is identical to USA Swimming rules (the turn judge must make sure you execute a legal backstroke finish at the initial distance).
For relay takeoffs, all takeoff requests must be made BEFORE your heat (103.13.1B(2)). In addition, the second swimmer may NOT start in the water (103.13.1D). And finally, the relay must be completed without disqualification, a distinct difference from USA Swimming rules (103.13.1C) (i.e., if there's an early takeoff violation or stroke infraction in a subsequent leg, your leadoff split does not count).
For NTV/OVC/USA Swimming observations, that's up to the LSC that's observing the meet and whether or not the meet is being swim observed (only the swims requested up front are observed) or blanket observed (all swims observed, and then non-USA-S swimmers removed). In order for your observed swim to count, you have to provide your USA Swimming ID number, but I think it can vary whether it may or must happen before/during/after the meet.
I can empathize how painful getting a split entered can be (I did this at a meet in April, and no one knew what I was trying to do). It may be good in the future if someone summarizes the split rules and inserts this in the meet information on site.
Patrick King
For individual freestyle, breaststroke, and butterfly (and the IM butterfly leadoff), you can request an initial split at any time before the end of the meet. 103.13.1B(1).
For individual backstroke, you MUST request your initial split BEFORE the heat. 103.13.1B(2). This is identical to USA Swimming rules (the turn judge must make sure you execute a legal backstroke finish at the initial distance).
For relay takeoffs, all takeoff requests must be made BEFORE your heat (103.13.1B(2)). In addition, the second swimmer may NOT start in the water (103.13.1D). And finally, the relay must be completed without disqualification, a distinct difference from USA Swimming rules (103.13.1C) (i.e., if there's an early takeoff violation or stroke infraction in a subsequent leg, your leadoff split does not count).
For NTV/OVC/USA Swimming observations, that's up to the LSC that's observing the meet and whether or not the meet is being swim observed (only the swims requested up front are observed) or blanket observed (all swims observed, and then non-USA-S swimmers removed). In order for your observed swim to count, you have to provide your USA Swimming ID number, but I think it can vary whether it may or must happen before/during/after the meet.
I can empathize how painful getting a split entered can be (I did this at a meet in April, and no one knew what I was trying to do). It may be good in the future if someone summarizes the split rules and inserts this in the meet information on site.
Patrick King
