Just admit it. Almost everyone sandbags from time to time. Look at Ande, entering at 28.9 in the 50 back to have clear water. Bunch of his times look pretty suspect. Peg completely sandbagged the 1000 free at Zones. I entered a coach-approved NT on the 100 IM at Zones and then scratched. Paul Smith is passing on a 100 free duel with evil Smith to save up for his world-record-shattering performance to be in the 200 medley relay. Julie Oplinger sandbagged her 100 fly at Zones. The list could go on forever, so you might as well join the Club.
As for Nats, because of my lack of expertise with sandbagging, I'm over my 25% statistical probability per race of landing in an outside lane.
(Sorry Osterber! :thhbbb:)
Sorry, I find the idea of changing your entry time because you want more rest or because you want better pool conditions (or want to show off) among the most odious of actions. You are taking the process of seeding--intended to provide fair and equitable competition--and perverting it for your own purposes by overtly trying to gain a competitive advantage. Take the order of events you get and then put down a performance that will have people singing songs about your glorious destruction of the field when you trash 5 straight events.
Patrick King
First, of all, this thread is the Sandbaggers' Club, not the Criticism of All Inherently Evil Sandbaggers. Start a new thread for your complaints.
Your quoted comment is BS, IMHO. I don't know anyone who NTs an event for the "glorious destruction" of heat 1. Absolutely no one. I think this is a mythical construct with no basis in reality held over the head of sandbaggers in an attempt to guilt them into what others deem appropriate behavior.
I also have no idea why it is "odious" to want more rest. The order of events is often undesirable, and can have a disproportionate impact on certain swimmers. (And frequently the order of events is the same year after year.) After you have trained your ass off and invested a lot of time and effort and money in getting to a meet, perhaps impinging on family time or events in the process, is it really "odious" to want to do as well as you can? Sorry, I don't buy it. Also, in my most recent meet, the women were done way before the men, and had much less rest. And the older you get, the more rest your need. So some 25 year old criticizing me for wanting more rest is not really going to bother me for a nanosecond. When they're my age, maybe they'll understand. The point is that there are already so many inequities built into meets, do we have to begrudge people more rest? Just seems really petty to me.
As scyfreestyler said, we're all adults. I don't think sandbaggers need to be "outted" as Lindsay suggests. If masters swimmers aren't permitted to factor in their own life situations and physical issues, that would be truly unfortunate and likely discourage competing.
Sorry, I find the idea of changing your entry time because you want more rest or because you want better pool conditions (or want to show off) among the most odious of actions. You are taking the process of seeding--intended to provide fair and equitable competition--and perverting it for your own purposes by overtly trying to gain a competitive advantage. Take the order of events you get and then put down a performance that will have people singing songs about your glorious destruction of the field when you trash 5 straight events.
Patrick King
First, of all, this thread is the Sandbaggers' Club, not the Criticism of All Inherently Evil Sandbaggers. Start a new thread for your complaints.
Your quoted comment is BS, IMHO. I don't know anyone who NTs an event for the "glorious destruction" of heat 1. Absolutely no one. I think this is a mythical construct with no basis in reality held over the head of sandbaggers in an attempt to guilt them into what others deem appropriate behavior.
I also have no idea why it is "odious" to want more rest. The order of events is often undesirable, and can have a disproportionate impact on certain swimmers. (And frequently the order of events is the same year after year.) After you have trained your ass off and invested a lot of time and effort and money in getting to a meet, perhaps impinging on family time or events in the process, is it really "odious" to want to do as well as you can? Sorry, I don't buy it. Also, in my most recent meet, the women were done way before the men, and had much less rest. And the older you get, the more rest your need. So some 25 year old criticizing me for wanting more rest is not really going to bother me for a nanosecond. When they're my age, maybe they'll understand. The point is that there are already so many inequities built into meets, do we have to begrudge people more rest? Just seems really petty to me.
As scyfreestyler said, we're all adults. I don't think sandbaggers need to be "outted" as Lindsay suggests. If masters swimmers aren't permitted to factor in their own life situations and physical issues, that would be truly unfortunate and likely discourage competing.
