LZR - It's Faster, but by how much ?

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After seeing a woman break 24 seconds and I think we can stop the discussion of "IF" the LZR suit is faster and start thinking "how much faster". The previous line of suits (Fastskin and so on) were pretty similiar to a shaved swimmer. Sure - they do feel like they make you float, but overall the times seemed to move along "in line" with what I would expect to see in terms of improvements in the sport. If the previous suits would have been that much faster than shaving, you would have never seen people just using the legskins. By the way - for us Masters swimmers there was always the added benefit of keeping in all the "extra layers of skin". So how much faster are the LZR suits ? If I had to guess based on the results so far, I would say 0.25 to 0.30 per 50 and double that for the 100. I can see the Bernard going 48 low in the 100 and I can see Sullivan getting close or just breaking the 50 record. It makes sense that Libby Lenton would swim a 24.2 or so in the 50. I think one of the top regular teams out there should do a test - you need a good amount of world class swimmers training together to be able to do a test. Here is the test I would propose: 8-10 swimmers 2 days of testing 4x50 on 10 minutes all out Day 1 - swim 2 with a Fastskin2 followed by 2 with the LZR Day 2 - swim 2 with the LZR followed by 2 with the Fastskin2 Get the averages of all 10 swimmers - maybe drop the high and low and there you go. Why do the test ? I would HAVE to know. Swimming is a big part of your life and you just set a massive PR using this new technology - my very first question would be " How much was me and how much was the suit?"?
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    I think people often confuse "proof" with "probability" The argument here is not whether or not the LZR with 100% certainty increases speed, at least I don't think it is. It's a question of probabilities. There is a reality out there somewhere, would you really bet someone, even money, that the LZR suit doesn't improve performance (not due to mental/placebo aspects) ?? I doubt it. That's your opinion, but that's all it is, sorry. I don't have to argue a thing, the burden of proof is on those who claim a significant and large improvement to prove their case. Gather your data, analyze it and submit it for peer-reviewed publication if you think you have done so.
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    I think people often confuse "proof" with "probability" The argument here is not whether or not the LZR with 100% certainty increases speed, at least I don't think it is. It's a question of probabilities. There is a reality out there somewhere, would you really bet someone, even money, that the LZR suit doesn't improve performance (not due to mental/placebo aspects) ?? I doubt it. That's your opinion, but that's all it is, sorry. I don't have to argue a thing, the burden of proof is on those who claim a significant and large improvement to prove their case. Gather your data, analyze it and submit it for peer-reviewed publication if you think you have done so.
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