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2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships

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2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships psych sheet www.texassports.com/.../sw_big12_psych.pdf Results www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm videos www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php Records www.usaswimming.org/.../Rulebook Records - Feb 18 2008.pdf WHAT: 2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming and Diving Championships WHERE: Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center – Austin, Texas WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 27 through Saturday, March 1 (complete schedule below) ADMISSION: $5 for adults and $2 for students, per session; all-session passes will be available for $20 for adults and $8 for students; NOTE: There is no admission charge for Wednesday’s events; doors will open and tickets will be available 1 hour prior to the start of each session. PARKING: www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../ LIVE RESULTS: Click here for live results. DEFENDING CHAMPIONS: The Texas men have won the previous 11 Big 12 Championship meets and set a new meet record with 1,114 points at the 2007 meet in College Station. The Texas A&M women edged the Texas women, 931-930 at the 2007 meet. COMPLETE BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE Wednesday, Feb. 27 PRELIMINARIES 4:30 PM One Meter Diving - Men FINALS 6:00 PM 200 Medley Relay One Meter Diving - Men 800 Freestyle Relay* * The 800 free relay will begin 45 minutes after the conclusion of the 200 medley relay Thursday, Feb. 28 PRELIMINARIES 10:00 AM 500 yard Freestyle 200 yard Individual Medley 50 yard Freestyle *15 minute break 400 yard Medley Relay 1:00 PM One Meter Diving - Women FINALS 6:00 PM 500 yard Freestyle 200 yard Individual Medley 50 yard Freestyle One Meter Diving - Women 400 yard Medley Relay Friday, Feb. 29 PRELIMINARIES 10:00 AM 200 yard Freestyle Relay 400 yard Individual Medley 100 yard Butterfly 200 yard Freestyle 100 yard Breaststroke 100 yard Backstroke 11:30 AM Three Meter Diving - Women 2:15 PM Three Meter Diving - Men FINALS 5:00 PM Three Meter Diving - Women 6:00 PM 200 yard Freestyle Relay 400 yard Individual Medley 100 yard Butterfly 200 yard Freestyle 100 yard Breaststroke 100 yard Backstroke Three Meter Diving - Men Saturday, March 1 PRELIMINARIES 10:00 AM 200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke 200 yard Butterfly *15 minute break 400 yard Freestyle Relay 11:30 AM Platform Diving - Men 2:30 PM Platform Diving - Women FINALS 5:00 PM Platform Diving - Men 6:00 PM 200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle *1650 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke 200 yard Butterfly Platform Diving - Women 400 yard Freestyle Relay
  • (That turncoat...) I agree with geek and I blame schools' inordinate fondness for football. Seriously: look at the number of scholarships and athletes and other resources are devoted to that bloated monstrosity (basketball and even baseball are positively sleek by comparison). I applaud the goal of balance. It is the schools decision on how to address that balance. I believe a lot of football programs lose money for smaller schools (and even for many large ones). I like the sport just fine but do not think it is any more important than any other sport. I think a lot of schools have no business fielding a football team. They will argue that it helps alumni giving but I think that is hogwash. But it would take a very strong-willed university president to cut college football, since s/he would take a lot of flak. Even so, schools could implement a few large girls sports (field hockey comes to mind, I'm sure there are others) but they choose not to do so. Ah...something we can all agree on....bash on football. I am all for balance and dislike the screwed up priorities in this country as much as the next guy (if I could get as much help in the ER as they do raking the infield in the 5th or whatever inning at the Diamondbacks game we would be set), however, what we often forget is the golden rule--He who has the gold, makes the rules. Football could just as easily say (and it would be "fair") that "since we (men) generate all the income, there will be no women's or any other men's sports that are not self-sustaining.":wave:
  • Title IX is still not the cause of the demise of men's collegiate swimming. Football may not be the sole cause, but I am certain it is a big portion along with big basketball programs. Left to their own, how many universities would still have a women's swimming program let alone a men's program? Swimming certainly does not generate revenue compared with basketball and football. I cringe every time I hear of a school getting rid of their men's swim program. JMU did it just a season ago costing a local swimmer his scholarship and his opportunity to swim collegiately (unless of course he decided to transfer), but I believe it is wrong to blame Title IX. T.J. I agree many athletic directors would not have a women's or men's program if they had their way. The basketball coach where I went was quoted saying that we should get rid of all non-revenue sports. It is true that men's football and basketball provide revenue for all other sports (therefore, I believe they have a right to spend all their bowl money on wasteful events and junkets). However, to suggest the demise of men's swimming and gymnastics across the country is not related to Title IX, is simple naivete. So your premise is that the rise in lawsuits against universities and the magical appearance of women's sports like waterpolo and rowing, along with the cutting of men's swimming progams is all coincidence? My university still has a men's program but with half the number of scholarships women have. How fair is it to train 4 hours a day all of your life to be told there are no more scholarships while a female across campus who was fairly athletic in high-school but paid no price, is offered a full rowing scholarship? There is no way to make up for 80 football scholarships and so in our attempt to be fair, we have created inequality (reparations right?). Fortunately, I have 3 girls because a boy can't catch a break in this (swimming) world.:cry:
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    The web site that Kirk found says that an NCAA D-I school can give out 9.9 full men's swimming and diving scholarships. But the Texas roster that Ande posted shows something like 33 men. How does this work? Are they all getting partial scholarships? Are they sharing them with the divers? Anna Lea
  • I wish people would stop blaming Title IX for all of the problems, and instead start blaming the schools for the way they decide to equalize their athletic opportunities. I don't blame Title IX. When Title IX went into effect I think a lot of athletic directors looked at what it would take to get into compliance, saw that their budgets were finite and decided to trim some mens' programs and add some womens' programs without trying to find more money for their budgets. (Or maybe they tried to get more money but were rebuffed by their schools' administrations.) Out of curiosity, I checked out UCLA's mens' swimming program. (I went to school there but didn't swim there.) That program was terminated after the 1994 season I think. That can hardly be attributed to Title IX (which went into effect in 1972). There is a Wikipedia page on Title IX that's probably good background reading for interested parties: en.wikipedia.org/.../Title_IX Referenced there is a GAO report published in 2001: www.gao.gov/.../summary.php I suspect only the most devoted people will read that report. Skip
  • It's nice to see that a local (Kaan Tayla from VA Tech) went 0.02 faster than Jonathan Jackson. I don't even like the Hokies, but here I am rooting for local people (who happen to be from Turkey). Holy crap, these people are fast. The 800 free relay by the Longhorns was smokin'!
  • So your premise is that the rise in lawsuits against universities and the magical appearance of women's sports like waterpolo and rowing, along with the cutting of men's swimming progams is all coincidence? Title IX does not require schools to cut any programs. It only requires schools to balance their programs. Schools should be adding women's sports, not cutting men's sports. There are plenty of institutions out there that aren't cutting any men's teams, and are in compliance with Title IX. There are plenty of schools out there who aren't giving out any scholarships, and are doing just fine with Title IX. I wish people would stop blaming Title IX for all of the problems, and instead start blaming the schools for the way they decide to equalize their athletic opportunities. -Rick
  • It is a systemic problem. Because college football and basketball are more like an entertainment business. And that's why colleges exist, right? Talk about conflicting missions.
  • wookie that was an incredible swim for texas, the slowers split was 1:33.3 4 definite contenders for the 4 x 200 US Olympic Team 800 FREESTYLE RELAY American: 6:12.43 Club Wolverine Atlanta, Ga. 11-30-07 (Michael Phelps, Peter Vanderkaay, David Tarwater, Chris DeJong) then last night look at what texas did. Event 4 Men 800 Yard Freestyle Relay ==================================================================== Meet: ! 6:18.43 2/14/2007 Texas Walters, Klueh, Behrens, McGinnis 6:26.08 AUTO 6:37.66 CONS School Seed Finals ==================================================================== 1 Texas 'A' 6:20.00 6:10.55 !AUTO 1) Walters, Dave 2) McGinnis, Matt 3) Klueh, Michael 4) Berens, Rick 21.54 44.54 (44.54) 1:08.13 (1:08.13) 1:32.51 (1:32.51) 1:54.16 (21.65) 2:17.96 (45.45) 2:41.81 (1:09.30) 3:05.82 (1:33.31) 3:26.83 (21.01) 3:50.50 (44.68) 4:14.36 (1:08.54) 4:38.03 (1:32.21) 4:58.96 (20.93) 5:22.33 (44.30) 5:46.18 (1:08.15) 6:10.55 (1:32.52) can't wait to see how the 4 x 100 relay goes everyone should split 42 400 FREESTYLE RELAY American: 2:49.80 Texas College Station, Texas 03-24-01 (Nate Dusing, Ian Crocker, Tommy Hannan, Jamie Rauch) U.S. Open: 2:47.70 California Minneapolis, Minn. 03-26-05 (Duje Draganja, Mike Cavic, Jonas Tilly, Rolandas Gimbutis) Talk about a great opening day for Texas... American Record in the 800 free relay....nice swim for Texas
  • I wish people would stop blaming Title IX for all of the problems, and instead start blaming the schools for the way they decide to equalize their athletic opportunities. -Rick Word on this. I get sick and tired of people blaming women's athletics for the cutting of men's programs. As the father of two athletic girls, I fail to see how them having equal opportunities at the collegiate level is a bad thing (remember, Title IX was not written specifically for sports). If a school wants to dress out 95 football players 12 Saturdays a year, despite 95% of the football programs being huge money losers, well, that is their own fault. Don't go blaming Title IX for that. My suspicion is that those who blame title IX have never had to answer this question - Daddy, why can't girls play that sport? That is a question that hurts. Sports lose money at universities, for the most part. I suspect money is a bigger factor than anything else. I'd really rather argue foreign student on scholarship than hear one more single word uttered about how women have ruined men's collegiate athletics. It's boorish and extremely dated - 36 years dated, to be precise. UT has a lot to be proud of with their well rounded sports program, despite employing Mack Brown.
  • Title IX does not require schools to cut any programs. It only requires schools to balance their programs. Schools should be adding women's sports, not cutting men's sports. There are plenty of institutions out there that aren't cutting any men's teams, and are in compliance with Title IX. There are plenty of schools out there who aren't giving out any scholarships, and are doing just fine with Title IX. I wish people would stop blaming Title IX for all of the problems, and instead start blaming the schools for the way they decide to equalize their athletic opportunities. -Rick I'm sure blame for loss of men's sports is multifactorial, but one cannot deny the impetus for many fence sitting programs was title IX litigation. Blaming schools is nice but will get you nowhere. The athletic programs are primarily accountable to rich alumni who only care if the men's football and/or basketball team wins. I'm certainly not going to blame all my problems on title IX; I've already had all of my schooling paid for and, as I've stated, have 3 girls in the pipeline. My only problems are an aching left shoulder, chronic back pain, eroding self-esteem, and 15 years until retirement.:kiss1: