2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships
psych sheet
www.texassports.com/.../sw_big12_psych.pdf
Results
www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm
videos
www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php
Records
www.usaswimming.org/.../Rulebook Records - Feb 18 2008.pdf
WHAT: 2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming and Diving Championships
WHERE: Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center – Austin, Texas
WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 27 through Saturday, March 1 (complete schedule below)
ADMISSION: $5 for adults and $2 for students, per session; all-session passes will be available for $20 for adults and $8 for students; NOTE: There is no admission charge for Wednesday’s events; doors will open and tickets will be available 1 hour prior to the start of each session.
PARKING: www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../
LIVE RESULTS: Click here for live results.
DEFENDING CHAMPIONS: The Texas men have won the previous 11 Big 12 Championship meets and set a new meet record with 1,114 points at the 2007 meet in College Station. The Texas A&M women edged the Texas women, 931-930 at the 2007 meet.
COMPLETE BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE
Wednesday, Feb. 27
PRELIMINARIES
4:30 PM
One Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
6:00 PM
200 Medley Relay
One Meter Diving - Men
800 Freestyle Relay*
* The 800 free relay will begin 45 minutes after the conclusion of the 200 medley relay
Thursday, Feb. 28
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
*15 minute break
400 yard Medley Relay
1:00 PM
One Meter Diving - Women
FINALS
6:00 PM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
One Meter Diving - Women
400 yard Medley Relay
Friday, Feb. 29
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
11:30 AM
Three Meter Diving - Women
2:15 PM
Three Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
5:00 PM
Three Meter Diving - Women
6:00 PM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
Three Meter Diving - Men
Saturday, March 1
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Backstroke
100 yard Freestyle
200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly
*15 minute break
400 yard Freestyle Relay
11:30 AM
Platform Diving - Men
2:30 PM
Platform Diving - Women
FINALS
5:00 PM
Platform Diving - Men
6:00 PM
200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle
*1650 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly Platform Diving - Women
400 yard Freestyle Relay
Attitudes about women and sports have been unfair to women forever.Title IX has been a good effort to change this and over all positive.It is a fallacious argument to say guys should have more opportunities because they are more interested in sports.High School girls are the first generation whose mothers had any significant opportunity to participate in sports.No one knows what female interest in sports will be in 20 more years.
The NCAA hasn't been helpful to"minor sports"as long as I have been paying attention(mid 60s).When mens swimming had 15 scholarships football had 120 and then 95.Thats why I think swimming can't rely on the NCAA.
As far as more women playing sports at a high school level, I can say that from my small sample (i.e. my last 3 years of gym class) there is simply a higher level of interest in sports for boys than girls, and that spans the spectrum from state champions to kids who would get cut from the basketball team, and this is not due to lack of opportunity. This just seems to be a natural byproduct of the culture that people are brought up in and greater competitiveness generally within the boys.
Applying your male standards as to how females should demonstrate competitiveness is not even remotely legitimate. You really have no idea how competitive people are if all you judge them by is their outward appearance. I can assure you that a female athlete wants to win just as badly as a male, but could demonstrate it entirely differently.
Further, lets assume you are 100% correct, does that automatically mean we should only reward boys for their outward competitive nature by giving more scholarships? Wait, yes, that is exactly what we did prior to 1972, we limited both opportunities and access.
The real question for me is, if a college has a pool and a women's swim team and the support structure, why no men's team? Can't the women's coach train the guys too? Can't they rid on the same bus? The cost delta for having a men's team is too small to believe Title IX cut them. The suits can't be too expensive.
I think Title IX is for equal access since women were denied access in the past.
The University of Richmond, where I work, cut the men's swimming team some time ago. They got no scholarships at the time and were coached by the same coach as the women's team. The justification claimed by the administration was Title IX. The women on the swim team at the time were not in favor of the decision.
Just to be clear: I am not blaming Title IX for decisions like these. The administrators wanted to balance both the number of scholarships (which was not affected by the decision) and the number of athletes of each gender. So adios, men's swimming. I would have preferred cutting men's football but no one asked me. They also cut women's sychro swimming for some reason so it wasn't all about Title IX.
My wife swam at William & Mary. When they were considering cutting the men's team, swimming alumni (of both genders) established an endowment to support men's swimming and the program continued.
Can't these schools that drop swimming have a swimming club then instead?
I did my undergrad at a small (8-9,000 students) state school in PA. They had a mens + women's swim team (they still have both, I just checked the website), but also a water polo club (that I was on), open to both males and females on the same team. The H2O club got some funding through the, "Student activity," fee that all students pay to go to college (nearly every school charges that these days). Our practices were outside of swim team/lap swimming hours (Sun-Thurs 9-11PM), due to facility issues (just 1 pool), but also some swimmers also did H2O polo. We had a coach, but I don't know if he was paid. The only special equipment we had provided by the team were caps, balls, and goals. We bought our own suits and paid for travel on our own. We swam in tournaments against other area schools (~3-5 hr drive), some had clubs, some had formal teams.
Surely there must be some way to accomodate swimming at any school, if there is interest for it. It may not be the best arrangement, but the club level is better than none at all.
1) Some of the big 12 schools dropped their men's swimmign because they couldn't compete.
2) Have all of the schools that now make up the Big 12 always had a swimming program? I thought I heard back when it went through this current formation that There was one scool that didn't have a program.
3) Next year I wish it wold be in Missuori with their new wonderful pool.
In this months Swimming World the coach for the UCLA Women said it is harder to recruit since they dropped mens swimming.
Here in Urbana, the home of the luckiest men's basketball coach in the world, (Why is he still here???), the women's coach says it has no effect on his recruiting. of course he doesn't have a great team though.
To blame Title IC for the decline in Men's sports is unfair to Title IX.
Scholarships are a limited resource, colleges get to spend those dollars how they like within the law. Colleges are a business and answer to the Alumni for donations. If the alumni demanded a men's swim team, the football would get fewer. That's a business decision.
Not all football players get scholarships so to say without scholarships you have no team is false. You may get a weaker team which doesn't get a BCS slot...and dollars lost, but you can still have a team.
If you must have scholarships to have a team, explain club sports.
The real question for me is, if a college has a pool and a women's swim team and the support structure, why no men's team? Can't the women's coach train the guys too? Can't they rid on the same bus? The cost delta for having a men's team is too small to believe Title IX cut them. The suits can't be too expensive.
I think Title IX is for equal access since women were denied access in the past.
The real question for me is, if a college has a pool and a women's swim team and the support structure, why no men's team? Can't the women's coach train the guys too? Can't they rid on the same bus? The cost delta for having a men's team is too small to believe Title IX cut them. The suits can't be too expensive.
When KU (Kansas) announced that they were dropping their men's swim team, one of my friends (a KU swimming alum) helped organize a group of people who lobbied to try to save the team. KU's men's and women's teams trained together and were coached by the same staff, just as you described above.
I remember my friend telling me that the total annual cost of the men's swim team was relatively small. $600,000 is the number that sticks in my mind, which would have included scholarships in addition to other costs. KU probably makes more than that off one televised basketball game.
As I understand it the problem isn't even Title IX per se,it is how it is implemented.I don't remember the particulars,but there are 3 ways a school can be in compliance,but only one of those has been tested in court.That one requires rough parity for the number of athletes(with some football fudge factor.)Since it is the number of athletes not the number of scholarships even walkons and non-scholarship sports count.
