2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships
psych sheet
www.texassports.com/.../sw_big12_psych.pdf
Results
www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm
videos
www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php
Records
www.usaswimming.org/.../Rulebook Records - Feb 18 2008.pdf
WHAT: 2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming and Diving Championships
WHERE: Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center – Austin, Texas
WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 27 through Saturday, March 1 (complete schedule below)
ADMISSION: $5 for adults and $2 for students, per session; all-session passes will be available for $20 for adults and $8 for students; NOTE: There is no admission charge for Wednesday’s events; doors will open and tickets will be available 1 hour prior to the start of each session.
PARKING: www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../
LIVE RESULTS: Click here for live results.
DEFENDING CHAMPIONS: The Texas men have won the previous 11 Big 12 Championship meets and set a new meet record with 1,114 points at the 2007 meet in College Station. The Texas A&M women edged the Texas women, 931-930 at the 2007 meet.
COMPLETE BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE
Wednesday, Feb. 27
PRELIMINARIES
4:30 PM
One Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
6:00 PM
200 Medley Relay
One Meter Diving - Men
800 Freestyle Relay*
* The 800 free relay will begin 45 minutes after the conclusion of the 200 medley relay
Thursday, Feb. 28
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
*15 minute break
400 yard Medley Relay
1:00 PM
One Meter Diving - Women
FINALS
6:00 PM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
One Meter Diving - Women
400 yard Medley Relay
Friday, Feb. 29
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
11:30 AM
Three Meter Diving - Women
2:15 PM
Three Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
5:00 PM
Three Meter Diving - Women
6:00 PM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
Three Meter Diving - Men
Saturday, March 1
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Backstroke
100 yard Freestyle
200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly
*15 minute break
400 yard Freestyle Relay
11:30 AM
Platform Diving - Men
2:30 PM
Platform Diving - Women
FINALS
5:00 PM
Platform Diving - Men
6:00 PM
200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle
*1650 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly Platform Diving - Women
400 yard Freestyle Relay
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:wine: Chuck Norris would be proud of that post.
Chuck Norris got a 4.0!
In 1972 there was a mere 30,000 women participating in intercollegiate athletics. At present there are more than 160,000 competing female athletes. In the last 20 years female intercollegiate athletic participation has increased by more than 80 percent, with a 66 percent increase in female athletic teams (Lapchick 2003).
Yes we ought to be grateful for the redistribution of wealth without which there would be no Beach volleyball!
Men, NCAA Div. I
Baseball 11.7
Cross Country/Track and Field 12.6
Fencing 4.5
Football (Division I-A) 85
Football (Division I-AA) 63
Golf 4.5
Gymnastics 6.3
Lacrosse 12.6
Rifle 3.6
Skiing 6.3
Soccer 9.9
Swimming and Diving 9.9
Tennis 4.5
Volleyball 4.5
Water Polo 4.5
Wrestling 9.9
I don't know, maybe I'm opening Pandora's box here, or maybe this really isn't relevant to the current discussion. I'll just say it anyway...
Of those scholarships listed above, how many are being awarded to students who are actually academically qualified to attend college?
... just my $0.02... :soapbox:
As I see it, the problem is not Title IX and "equality" per se, the problem is with the definition of equality. Equality should be measured in "access and opportunity to play sports", not in number of athletes actually doing so.
There are self-sustaining men's sports being cut simply because the schools feel they must have roughly the same number of male and female athletes. So even if they offer lots of scholarships to young women for sports like crew and golf and ... if they can't get the numbers of women up, they have to cut the men.
It is a tragedy that schools like UCLA have lost men's swimming, and entire conferences have been decimated (ref the Texas versus no one comments). As someone who turned down several partial and full rides to walk on at a top school in the 80s, I don't want my daughter handed a scholarship to row crew at Acme University just because she's (going to be) 6' 02" and LOOKS like she might be able to row. I want her to be able to demonstrate objectively that she's worthy of it athletically (so that leaves out gymnastics) :rofl:
Let the assault begin... :bolt:
This just seems to be a natural byproduct of the culture that people are brought up in and greater competitiveness generally within the boys.
Well, the nature vs. nurture question is difficult because there are so many biological and environmental variables. Males have testosterone for instance, which influences behavior. Many girls are unfortunately taught, whether explicitly or by example, that competitiveness is not feminine. So it's hard to tell. I have not in any way witnessed the phenomenon of boys being more competitive than girls in swimming though. As Geek correctly points out, there are more girls in the age group ranks. I also wouldn't be surprised if things are changing somewhat since you have been in high school. Where I live, all kids -- male or female -- are involved in sports at the earliest possible age. And I see loads of girls in high school sports. But, certainly, telling girls or otherwise conveying the message that "boys are more competitive" will only further reinforce the cultural stereotype. My parents were both competitive athletes and pretty progressive, so fortunately I was not saddled with that. As you can all tell. lol
As someone who turned down several partial and full rides to walk on at a top school in the 80s, I don't want my daughter handed a scholarship to row crew at Acme University just because she's (going to be) 6' 02" and LOOKS like she might be able to row. I want her to be able to demonstrate objectively that she's worthy of it athletically (so that leaves out gymnastics) :rofl:
Let the assault begin... :bolt:
Why?
If she's athletic, she might be a great rower and have an amazing college experience. Many kids take up crew for the first time in college. High school crew teams are relatively new. Is it better to give that scholarship to a second string football player riding the bench?
This thread is like 'jock itch' as SwimStud so lovingly referred to the Dara Torres thread. Football in no way NEEDS 50 or 60 scholarships. People will play football regardless of whether or not they get a scholarship. I don't have any supporting evidence, but I would guess that not all of those 65 football players NEED a scholarship. Standout high school athletes decide where to go to school based partly on which school offers them the best scholarship. So, the scholarship has evolved from helping a disadvantaged student-athlete pay for tuition, books and board to getting the best athletes to come to your university. I love to watch college football, even though my University of New Mexico Lobos are not very competitive, so I don't want college football to go away. I just think that it is asinine to blame the decline in men's collegiate swimming programs on Title IX. Schools could still field a men's swim team even if they didn't have scholarships to offer. The opportunity to compete at the collegiate level is hard to pass up even if you don't get a scholarship to do it!
You raise a good point about the number of scholarships
Fort, I misread the message of your post, I apologize for that. As far as more women playing sports at a high school level, I can say that from my small sample (i.e. my last 3 years of gym class) there is simply a higher level of interest in sports for boys than girls, and that spans the spectrum from state champions to kids who would get cut from the basketball team, and this is not due to lack of opportunity. This just seems to be a natural byproduct of the culture that people are brought up in and greater competitiveness generally within the boys.
This just seems to be a natural byproduct of the culture that people are brought up in and greater competitiveness generally within the boys.
This is somewhat true because of cultural aspect toward sports but I don't think girls are per se less competetive. They just may be driven to compete over different things. Hair, cell phones, ipods etc...just ask any mother of a middle school girl about competition for popularity...this is why trying to get girls into sports is a good thing; to build self confidence and rise about the "Heathers"(with apologies to Fly Queen).
Fort, I'm currently a junior in high school, and I recognize that there are lots of girls that take part in sports at my high school, heck the guys are outnumbered by girls probably 2:1 on our swim team. However, if you look at the number of girls who are year round athletes and/or stand-out athletes (those who would possibly be getting into college on a scholarship) it seems as if there are simply more boys who fall into this category. However, I don't want this to be misconstrued as me being anti-girls sports, as I'm all for allowing anyone to give any sport a shot, especially at the less competitive high school level.
